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Old 09-07-2012, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Murika
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I think that people who support abortion should kill their babies and people that don't shouldn't.

(That's one way to get rid of Democrats.)
This has nothing to do with political ideology. It is a question of logical consequences.

You can think outside the partisan box, can you?
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Old 09-07-2012, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Murika
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I agree.

The fact is I am old enough to have had biology before Roe v. Wade or global warming were issues. Life beginning at conception and CO2 being a greenhouse gas were not something to argue over, they were facts. The fact that abortion and global warming are now political issues does not change the facts of biology and chemistry, to argue differently is absurd.

Abortion needs to be more frequent. Legalized abortion is a major contributing factor in reducing crime and welfare. Abortion needs to be safe, legal and common. Keep killing present and future parasites.

Eliminate welfare and offer free abortions and our country will be going in the right direction. If you can't afford to raise children kill the developing human life in the womb.
This still doesn't give me an answer.

If you want to say that life begins at conception, then why are the legal repercussions of such a distinction solely to be restricted to abortion rights? Clearly, that human life that you have now defined is deserving of other protections as well, right?

Why does life that begins at conception not deserve protection when expecting mothers drink alcohol, drive too fast, eat unhealthy foods, do really stupid stuff?

You see, right now if an expecting mother drinks alcohol, she is plain stupid and irresponsible. Once life legally begins at conception, that mother will be sent to jail and once the child is born he/she will be handed over to social services. Same can be said for smoking. Right now, if you smoke while pregnant, you are an idiot. If you make your infant smoke or force them to inhale smoke, you go to jail and will likely lose custody rights. In your vision of America, smoking pregnant women will go to jail right away and lose custody as well.

In order to keep track of all these egregious behaviors, you will need to have a true police state.
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Old 09-07-2012, 04:09 PM
 
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Perhaps a better way of thinking about this issue is determining when the fetus becomes a sentient being. Abortion after sentience could be argued as being painful and cruel, prior to that, of no consequence.

I don't quite understand the idea of protecting a bunch of dividing cells. Especially given the statistics on early miscarriage. As for God, I don't think he would waste a soul on a embryo either miscarried or aborted at the early stage.
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Old 09-07-2012, 04:11 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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I agree.

The fact is I am old enough to have had biology before Roe v. Wade or global warming were issues. Life beginning at conception and CO2 being a greenhouse gas were not something to argue over, they were facts. The fact that abortion and global warming are now political issues does not change the facts of biology and chemistry, to argue differently is absurd.

Abortion needs to be more frequent. Legalized abortion is a major contributing factor in reducing crime and welfare. Abortion needs to be safe, legal and common. Keep killing present and future parasites.

Eliminate welfare and offer free abortions and our country will be going in the right direction. If you can't afford to raise children kill the developing human life in the womb.
You know, of course, that you're not fooling anyone with your pretense to be Pro-Choice. No Pro-Choice person I've known---and I've known a LOT of them spread out over 70 years---has ever talked as crude and callous as you. If you're intent is to cast a bad light on people who support a woman's or couple's right to make the very difficult and heavy decision to abort, if necessary, it's not working.
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Old 09-07-2012, 04:12 PM
 
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You keep pounding this "life begins at conception" like a mantra, a freaking zygote is not life, it's not even at the stage of cell division yet.
How about you go to a book store, at a university if possible, and skim some books about genetics, biology, embryology, zoology. Most, if not all, will state that life begins at fertilization. Forget, god, soul, morality, politics, slogans [her body, her choice]. Look at the science.
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:04 PM
 
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Right to life isn't given by citizenship, it's given by our Creator per our founding documents and is one of the inalienable rights given to all human kind.
Then why does the government have a right to execute us?
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:11 PM
 
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Why does it matter to men? At the end of the day if any of you had to walk around stretched out of shape for 9 months (or for the rest of your life if you never managed to lose the baby fat) hormones raging, strange food cravings and not knowing if your boyfriend or husband decided they didn't want to be fathers and left you, made up their minds, left somewhere down the line, refused to pay child support or simply disappeared never to be heard from again, the world would have been extinct light years ago.
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Then why does the government have a right to execute us?
For the same reason they have a right to imprison us; to punish internal aggressors.
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Houston
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This still doesn't give me an answer.

If you want to say that life begins at conception, then why are the legal repercussions of such a distinction solely to be restricted to abortion rights? Clearly, that human life that you have now defined is deserving of other protections as well, right?

Why does life that begins at conception not deserve protection when expecting mothers drink alcohol, drive too fast, eat unhealthy foods, do really stupid stuff?

You see, right now if an expecting mother drinks alcohol, she is plain stupid and irresponsible. Once life legally begins at conception, that mother will be sent to jail and once the child is born he/she will be handed over to social services. Same can be said for smoking. Right now, if you smoke while pregnant, you are an idiot. If you make your infant smoke or force them to inhale smoke, you go to jail and will likely lose custody rights. In your vision of America, smoking pregnant women will go to jail right away and lose custody as well.

In order to keep track of all these egregious behaviors, you will need to have a true police state.
Politics has nothing to do with the truths of natural science. We can deal with the scientific fact that life begins with conception anyway we choose. The emergence of the nanny state does not change scientific facts. We can give the life in the womb whatever rights we wish. I personally favor allowing fetuses to be killed at the mother's whim up into at least the third trimester.

The more unwanted babies killed before they are born the better off we are. This does not change the fact that human life is being killed.
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Houston
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How about you go to a book store, at a university if possible, and skim some books about genetics, biology, embryology, zoology. Most, if not all, will state that life begins at fertilization. Forget, god, soul, morality, politics, slogans [her body, her choice]. Look at the science.
They're anti-science morons. They are the liberal equivalent of creationists.
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