My trip to Planned Parenthood (government, states, claims, religion)
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Absolutely agree But I do believe that praying helps.
Sincere prayer with genuine compassion and no attempt to humiliate or attack should not hurt.
It is my belief that prayer used to attack others is not only wrong but spiritually dangerous.
Remember: but thou when thou shalt pray, enter into thy chamber, and having shut the door, pray to thy Father in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee.
Not sure if this has been brought up yet, but for all of those who are so diametrically opposed to planned parenthood and contraception in general, are you personally willing to take on the responsibility of raising the otherwise to be aborted child? The reason I ask is that many of the people getting abortions through planned parenthood do not have the means financially or emotionally to take on such a great responsibility.
Ugh, did the OP post just get sympathy because not everyone believes the exact thing she does, or to start a debate? My .02 is that it's great to pray for people you feel need help, but don't shove it in their face and make a huge production out of it.
It seems like you went to say, "Hey, look at me! I'm more righteous than you. Shame on you for thinking ahead or for getting into a difficult situation. I'm perfect and I never sin, so why did you?"
Were you out there protesting the girls that did have an abortion, or were you there to make yourself look good? And what about the ones that just went for a check up? Do you think it was ok to make them feel like they were doing something wrong for getting PAP tests, breast examinations, information, or anything else that you yourself should/would do?
I think the Bible mentions the Golden Rule, so think of how it would feel if someone got into your highly personal business and started ridiculing and shaming you for something they know absolutely nothing about. That's what you're doing, but you just think it's righteous because you say it's in the name of God. Not everyone believes in God, and if they do, not everyone believes in the same rules as you. Welcome to America. You have the right to be judgmental, and so do we toward you. The only difference is you're putting your business out there, but those girls were just minding their own business and got attacked.
Oh, and btw, if a bunch of judgmental strangers were prying into MY business and actually had the nerve to ask if I was going to have an abortion, I would say yes just to p!$$ all you people off. Someone else on here said the same thing. And for the record, I'm pro life AND a Christian. I just know that it's ridiculous to use intimidation and gives opinions at a time when it's clearly not wanted and could be interpreted as harassment.
If you're so put off by others exercising their right to their own opinion about the way you express your faith, they don't shove the doctrines of your faith down their throat. Simple as that.
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Not sure if this has been brought up yet, but for all of those who are so diametrically opposed to planned parenthood and contraception in general, are you personally willing to take on the responsibility of raising the otherwise to be aborted child? The reason I ask is that many of the people getting abortions through planned parenthood do not have the means financially or emotionally to take on such a great responsibility.
The answer I seem to have been given above in the scenarios for those without resources is "put the child up for adoption."
Not sure if this has been brought up yet, but for all of those who are so diametrically opposed to planned parenthood and contraception in general, are you personally willing to take on the responsibility of raising the otherwise to be aborted child? The reason I ask is that many of the people getting abortions through planned parenthood do not have the means financially or emotionally to take on such a great responsibility.
Yes!!!!! In fact, my husband and I want to do this. Adoption is very expensive ( such a shame, but it is) and so we are talking about how to fund that so we can be open to just what you suggest. You would be surprised, though to know how many people wait years for a baby. There are not as many newborn babies up for adoption in this Country as one might think. Especially white, healthy, non drug exposed babies .
I believe we need to create more of a culture of adoption in this country, so it is seen as a very positive thing, and there is no stigma attached to it.
Sincere prayer with genuine compassion and no attempt to humiliate or attack should not hurt.
It is my belief that prayer used to attack others is not only wrong but spiritually dangerous.
Remember: but thou when thou shalt pray, enter into thy chamber, and having shut the door, pray to thy Father in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee.
The problem is the groups that go to Planned Parenthood aren't all offering "sincere prayer with genuine compassion with no attempt to humiliate." The OP's group had so-called "counselors" with them who'd ask the women going into PP if they were going in for an abortion and her, being a newbie member of the group, was assigned the prayer circle. Give her a few years and she'll be calling herself a right-to-life counselor, too, and yelling out just like those in her group did. She's in training for how to stage an abortion intervention.
There were about 30-40 of us all together. At this PP there are "pro-choice escorts" (they actually where shirts that say this) and some of them were nice and some of them tried to intimidate us. As we were praying a nice jogger lady flipped us off, a young black man yelled some obscene things to us, people pointed and people laughed.
Some other people came and said the rosary on the sidewalk. There was a protestant man and a catholic man that stood out on the sidewalk begging women not to have the abortions and trying to tell them about the places they could go for help.
A man that worked in the PP came out and walked to his car for a cig, as he was walking he knocked the fliers out of the protestant hands and onto the ground and laughed, as he walked back he paused to cuss the man out and shove him around.
I counted 9 individual women and 3 groups of women that went in that day. Every time one would walk by I swallowed tears and bile and looked each woman in the eye, silently pleading for her to stop what she was doing. One woman as she walked by spat on us and 3 others called us names, giving the "escorts" a little chuckle.
When we were done and walked back we all shook hands with the "escorts", the nice ones and the creepy/rude one and wished them all a wonderful day. Once we got back to the car I couldn't stop myself anymore I cried for a long time and couldn't eat for hours (I have a verrrrryyyyyy strong stomach)
There are a few points to me telling you all this:
1) Liberals/pro-choice people who spout tolerance, learn some.
2) When you see people praying, whether you are Atheist, Christian, Conservative or Liberal, show some respect and don't be rude.
3) People who are pro-life: I talk about this issue a lot and i have always been very pro-life but after this experience I realize that you have to do more than just talk about it, you have to try to help people.
Thanks for reading.
Not to defend women getting abortions, but the reality is that people create these sorts of spectacles for the sake of their own self-serving emotional interest, not to "help" anyone.
Not sure if this has been brought up yet, but for all of those who are so diametrically opposed to planned parenthood and contraception in general, are you personally willing to take on the responsibility of raising the otherwise to be aborted child? The reason I ask is that many of the people getting abortions through planned parenthood do not have the means financially or emotionally to take on such a great responsibility.
Well then quit humping eachother. What is going on out there is just masturbating eachother, which is idolizing sex, lust is a sin. Animals engage in mating behavior to procreate, the human is the only one engaging in the act and surprised when this creates a life, then asks others to help them get rid of it. You people are a disgrace, so rude, so crude.
The ones I hold most accountable are the men that engage in sex with these kind of women, then don't think twice about them killing your children. What is wrong with you? Where are the MEN? Yes, they will call you names if you stand up for your children, but so what? They don't respect you anyway, they don't even respect themselves. Find yourself a woman that takes responsibility for her choices, and has some brains - they are out there. Have some pride and take your time.
Ohhh great the daily abortion thread. To the OP, I'm not christian, nor was I raised christian and yes I'm pro-choice. Now I'd like you to answer a question for me. What gives you the right to make my healthcare choices? My healthcare should be between me and my doctor. You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mine. Why do you and yours insist on cramming your beliefs down my throat?
I've used PP often for my annual check-ups, mamograms etc. and every time I go I run across the protesting wing nuts who I consider just as bad if not worse than the the Westboro thugs.
PP is the ONLY low cost clinic across this country where woman can get good healthcare.
There are a few points to me telling you all this:
1) Liberals/pro-choice people who spout tolerance, learn some.
2) When you see people praying, whether you are Atheist, Christian, Conservative or Liberal, show some respect and don't be rude.
I will be happy to show you tolerance and respect when you return the favor. But you do neither when you attempt to put yourself between me and my own personal healthcare, so you deserve none in return.
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Originally Posted by personwhoisaperson
3) People who are pro-life: I talk about this issue a lot and i have always been very pro-life but after this experience I realize that you have to do more than just talk about it, you have to try to help people.
Oh, please, at least have the decency to be honest. You weren't there to "help" anyone, you were there to preach your dogma at them. And for that as well, you forfeit your right to respect or tolerance from me.
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But I do believe that praying helps.
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. To the OP, I'm not christian, nor was I raised christian and yes I'm pro-choice. Now I'd like you to answer a question for me. What gives you the right to make my healthcare choices? My healthcare should be between me and my doctor. You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mine. Why do you and yours insist on cramming your beliefs down my throat?