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Old 09-08-2012, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Yes, because every 13 year old wants her life to become about taking care of her six younger siblings. Seven children grew without their mother, and for what? So she could be lovingly eulogized as a good breeder for the church? And good "Christian" that you are, the most amount of compassion you can muster for them is, "oh, well, the father and older kids can take her place." It's a tragedy for children to lose their mother, but you're fine with that as long as the zygote was protected. Shows us all what YOUR values are.

People like you are the reason the GOP has to be defeated. You would take women back to the dark ages.
On another thread a "pro-lifer" was insisting to me that there are no life-threatening conditions in pregnancy. These stories sadden me. On the other hand, if a woman chooses to take the risks of a pregnancy on, that is her choice to make too. Some people beat the odds. Some women think the risk is worth taking. Keeping abortion safe and legal will not keep women from following their own religious beliefs. Doctors and society need to inform women of the actual risks--not propaganda! And doctors should do all they can to make sure they come through pregnancy as safely as possible if that is their choice, and refer them for a legal abortion by a skilled provider, if that is their choice. What else can we do?

There is a lot of propaganda coming from the Catholic Church about birth control and abortion, much of which is misleading. That needs to stop, too. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free, didn't someone say that?

 
Old 09-08-2012, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Houston
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On another thread a "pro-lifer" was insisting to me that there are no life-threatening conditions in pregnancy. These stories sadden me. On the other hand, if a woman chooses to take the risks of a pregnancy on, that is her choice to make too. Some people beat the odds. Some women think the risk is worth taking. Keeping abortion safe and legal will not keep women from following their own religious beliefs. Doctors and society need to inform women of the actual risks--not propaganda! And doctors should do all they can to make sure they come through pregnancy as safely as possible if that is their choice, and refer them for a legal abortion by a skilled provider, if that is their choice. What else can we do?
Thank you. Yes, a woman should have a choice, not coerced into having an abortion as Jude prefers. Typical man, judging a woman's choice. Some of us value things more than life itself. I will give up my life for my son's in a heartbeat. Something Jude will never understand.

Women should have the choice to abort or not, regardless of the circumstances.
 
Old 09-08-2012, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Houston
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No you wouldn't, you'd throw your wife in to save him. And if she didn't make it, oh, well. You have nine other children who can take her place.
You are the one declaring a woman should not have attempted to save her own child's life, not me. You would be calling 911 while your kid drowned. Do us a favor, if you ever get a gal pregnant ask her to abort. We don't need you raising children.
 
Old 09-08-2012, 09:13 PM
 
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perhaps when the op grows up instead of just "praying" for women to not abort she can offer to adopt or support a woman who would otherwise have an abortion. but I have a feeling that will never happen, way easier to just "pray" for them
 
Old 09-08-2012, 09:14 PM
 
Location: California
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Ask the OP how many people were in her group saying 'prayers' and intimidating the women who went in the clinic? Ask her how many propaganda signs and pamphlets they had with them. Ask her how many so-called counselors were in her group who were trying to engage the patients of PP in conversation. Ask the OP how much money their group raises to try and take reproductive rights away from other women. And then you question and mock people who donate money to try and fight off this kind of attack on women's rights?
Were they breaking the law? She said they were escorted by PP personnel so whats the problem? Praying for the women and unborn did not hurt anyone. I didn't mock anyone, don't be paranoid I highly doubt anyone donated money because of this thread.
 
Old 09-08-2012, 09:16 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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I highly doubt anyone donated money because of this thread.
Then you would be wrong.
 
Old 09-08-2012, 09:17 PM
 
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Thank you. Yes, a woman should have a choice, not coerced into having an abortion as Jude prefers. Typical man, judging a woman's choice. Some of us value things more than life itself. I will give up my life for my son's in a heartbeat. Something Jude will never understand.

Women should have the choice to abort or not, regardless of the circumstances.
First of all, I am a woman. I have two children of my own who I would also give up my life for if it came to that, so climb down off your high horse. I know about having and not having a choice in a way you have no clue about.

I don't disagree that my friend made her own choice to follow the priests rather than listen to what her doctors were telling her. And that's what I am so angry about. A bunch of old MEN who cared more about the well-being of a zygote who was not going to survive birth than seven children who were alive here and now, and who needed their mother. It was more important to leave those children motherless than terminate a doomed pregnancy. YOU seem to think this is just fine and dandy. I'm sure those seven kids would disagree.
 
Old 09-08-2012, 09:18 PM
 
Location: California
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Then you would be wrong.
And that's fine, I don't have a problem with it, you can donate to whatever cause you like.
 
Old 09-08-2012, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Houston
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What you see here is a woman who claims to be pro-choice condemning a woman's decision not to abort. Given the final result, it would have been better in that circumstance if she had aborted. We all have 20/20 hindsight. It is now clear in my mother-in-law's case her decision to have the child was the correct one. In Jude's example it was a tragedy. The important thing to remember is that it was the woman's choice and we do not want government either coercing or greatly restricting abortion.

Ignore the Judes and personwhoisaperson's claims that the abortion decision should not be in the pregnant woman's hands. That women just are not capable of making such decisions.
 
Old 09-08-2012, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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On another thread a "pro-lifer" was insisting to me that there are no life-threatening conditions in pregnancy.
If you need something with which to enlighten that moron . . .

"Sadly, the case of Galit Schiller is all too familiar in the United States, where, in spite of access to the best medical care in the world, the rate of maternal death related to pregnancy or birth almost doubled between 1990 and 2005.

The cause of death varies from woman to woman. Some result from infection, some hypertension, some septic shock, and some amniotic-fluid embolism, a complication in which amniotic fluid or other matter re-enters the mother's bloodstream, triggering a reaction that can result in cardiorespiratory arrest and hemorrhaging. In one chilling coincidence in 2007, a New Jersey town witnessed the death of two friends, Valerie Scythes and Melissa Farah, teachers at the same school who gave birth at the same hospital and died of childbirth-related complications within two weeks of each other (reportedly of a blocked blood vessel and internal bleeding, respectively)."

Read more: Death in Childbirth - My Wife Died After Giving Birth - Harper's
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