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Old 09-12-2012, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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"We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."

Obamacare Redefines 'Full Time' Employment as 30 Hours a Week

A year and a half after the passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, bureaucrats at the IRS and Health and Human Services issued an 18-page report outlining new regulations that will dramatically increase health care costs for small and large businesses alike.

The regulations, written by an IRS attorney, arbitrarily redefine "full time employee" as someone who works 30 hours a week for a business. Traditionally, most private businesses have defined "full time employee" as someone who works 40 hours a week. With this new regulation, the federal government is now removing the right of businesses to define "full time employee" as they deem appropriate for their unique conditions.


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IRS: Determining Full-Time Employees for Purposes of Shared Responsibility for Employers Regarding Health Coverage (§ 4980H)

Section 4980H applies to “applicable large employers” (generally, employers who employed at least 50 full-time employees, including full-time equivalent employees, on business days during the preceding calendar year).

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Section 4980H(c)(4) provides that a full-time employee with respect to any month is an employee who is employed on average at least 30 hours of service per week. (or 130 hours per month, per the footnote)


And don't try to make a quick change to an employee's schedule to make them part time...

Under the look-back/stability period safe harbor method, an employer would determine each employee’s full-time status by looking back at a defined period of not less than three but not more than 12 consecutive calendar months, as chosen by the employer (the measurement period), to determine whether during the measurement period the employee averaged at least 30 hours of service per week.


The IRS writing Health Care legislation. What could be more American than that?
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:28 PM
 
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I heard it took dozen or so pages to describe what full time work is. And people wonder why some of us dont want the Government involved in so much. Nothing can be simple, everything has to be complicated and pages and pages and pages or rules/regulations and bull ****. A huge reason I hate liberalism. Its just down right stupid.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Wow..a kid is still a kid until 26 and full time work is now 30 hours a week.

Those poor employers with part time people are so screwed.
This administration has changed a lot of rules on us.

So now instead of employers keeping people to under 40 hours a week they are going to change tactics and keep people under 30 hours a week.
This will bode well for the economy and people's paychecks. The employers can still do it now though..they do have a 12 month leeway here.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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I heard it took dozen or so pages to describe what full time work is. And people wonder why some of us dont want the Government involved in so much. Nothing can be simple, everything has to be complicated and pages and pages and pages or rules/regulations and bull ****. A huge reason I hate liberalism. Its just down right stupid.
18 pages.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:31 PM
 
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Wow..a kid is still a kid until 26 and full time work is now 30 hours a week.

Those poor employers with part time people are so screwed.
This administration has changed a lot of rules on us.
And that is just the beginning as those of us know who actually pay attention. They are still writing tens of thousands of pages of more rules/regulations. Unbelievable that there are idiots out there (clears throat, liberals) that actually invite this **** on all of us.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Guess what, them people now getting 38 hours a week will be getting 28 and having to buy insurance or pay a fine.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:32 PM
 
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Wow..a kid is still a kid until 26 and full time work is now 30 hours a week.

Those poor employers with part time people are so screwed.
This administration has changed a lot of rules on us.
Actually a human is still a human when they are 26 and only work 30 hours a week.

And it's great we live in a country that can easily afford to give citizens health insurance and I'm thankful a few people, mainly Democrats, are humane in trying to extend health coverage to everyone.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:32 PM
 
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18 pages.
My God. No wonder our tax code is so ****ed up. 18 pages to describe, or should I say dictate, what a full time employee is. Do people realize, with just Obamacare alone, just how much more power the government gave itself?
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
Wow..a kid is still a kid until 26 and full time work is now 30 hours a week.

Those poor employers with part time people are so screwed.
This administration has changed a lot of rules on us.

So now instead of employers keeping people to under 40 hours a week they are going to change tactics and keep people under 30 hours a week.
This will bode well for the economy and people's paychecks. The employers can still do it now though..they do have a 12 month leeway here.
Did you read the whole post in the OP? Changing tactics may not work pending when the change is done. Obamacare mandates employers look back at least 3 months at an employees hours to determine full time status.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And that is just the beginning as those of us know who actually pay attention. They are still writing tens of thousands of pages of more rules/regulations. Unbelievable that there are idiots out there (clears throat, liberals) that actually invite this **** on all of us.
I know of one person who said he's going to go solo and just 1099 his help. He's giving up.
This was the small business guy that repaved my driveway. We got to talking. Said this was all just a complicated mess and he wasn't about to go out and hire an accountant because business was slow to begin with. Said the easiest thing to do was just have no employees and 1099 everyone and treat them as contractors.

The micro businesses won't hire at all..not even temp for the summer. It's all cash under the table with them now.
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