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Old 09-13-2012, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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This nuggett is being posted on all the right wing news sites, no problem that it's a total lie. Note the small correction on the bottom of the Fox site.

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U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo. Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson “did not permit US Marine guards to carry live ammunition,” according to multiple reports on U.S. Marine Corps blog spotted by Nightwatch. “She neutralized any US military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy.”
And the correction.

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Further Marine spokesman at Pentagon Lt Col Chris Hughes says these reports are NOT true. This is on the record:
“The Ambassador and RSO have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. No restrictions on weapons or weapons status have been imposed. This information comes from the Det Commander at AMEMB Cairo.”
REPORTS: Marines Not Permitted Live Ammo **UPDATE** - US Embassy Attack - Fox Nation
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Old 09-13-2012, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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This nuggett is being posted on all the right wing news sites, no problem that it's a total lie. Note the small correction on the bottom of the Fox site.



And the correction.



REPORTS: Marines Not Permitted Live Ammo **UPDATE** - US Embassy Attack - Fox Nation
Do you know about the rules of engagement for the troops in Afghanistan? Is there any reason why they would be different for those Marines?
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Old 09-13-2012, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Do you know about the rules of engagement for the troops in Afghanistan? Is there any reason why they would be different for those Marines?
Please explain how this relates to the story in the OP?
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Old 09-13-2012, 04:40 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Fact: Obama enabled the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organization. Obama is responsible for the result of this stupidity.
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Old 09-13-2012, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Fact: Obama enabled the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organization. Obama is responsible for the result of this stupidity.
What should he have done?
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Old 09-13-2012, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Fact: Obama enabled the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organization. Obama is responsible for the result of this stupidity.
What does this have to do with right wing media incorrectly claiming Obama did not arm the marines in the embassies?
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Old 09-13-2012, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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This nuggett is being posted on all the right wing news sites, no problem that it's a total lie. Note the small correction on the bottom of the Fox site.

REPORTS: Marines Not Permitted Live Ammo **UPDATE** - US Embassy Attack - Fox Nation
Time Magazine is not right wing.

What’s Worse: No Marines, or (Possibly) Unarmed Marines?

[U.S. Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson] did not permit US Marine guards to carry live ammunition, according to USMC blogs.

So there are names here and hard accusations. Someone isn't telling the truth.


Also from the OP article...

The U.S. ambassador to any nation ultimately decides whether Marines are authorized to carry ammunition, according to a GOP national security adviser knowledgeable about American embassy protocols.

“In the end, the ambassador of any country has the final call on what to do in a country,” the source said. “The buck stops with you. You make every decision.”

So the Pentagon does not have the final say. The ambassador needs to speak up here.

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Old 09-13-2012, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Fact: Obama enabled the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist organization. Obama is responsible for the result of this stupidity.
Bull crap.
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Mark Thompson is a military blogger

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[U.S. Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson] did not permit US Marine guards to carry live ammunition, according to USMC blogs.
So there are names here and hard accusations. Someone isn't telling the truth.


Also from the OP article...

The U.S. ambassador to any nation ultimately decides whether Marines are authorized to carry ammunition, according to a GOP national security adviser knowledgeable about American embassy protocols.

“In the end, the ambassador of any country has the final call on what to do in a country,” the source said. “The buck stops with you. You make every decision.”

So the Pentagon does not have the final say. The ambassador needs to speak up here.
So you are saying the Pentagon official speaking on the record doesn't know, but an anonymous blogger does? Awesome!
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:26 PM
 
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What should he have done?
he should stop funding the muslim brotherhood for one, and leave these people to battle it out with each other. he should stop forgiving debt of countries that hate us and kill our citizens.


he should have had better protection for the embassy workers and the NYT says that the "incidents" were likely planned:

Benghazi, awash in guns, has recently witnessed a string of assassinations as well as attacks on international missions, including a bomb said to be planted by another Islamist group that exploded near the United States mission there as recently as June. But a Libyan politician who had breakfast with Mr. Stevens at the mission the morning before he was killed described security, mainly four video cameras and as few as four Libyan guards, as sorely inadequate for an American ambassador in such a tumultuous environment. “This country is still in transition, and everybody knows the extremists are out there,” said Fathi Baja, the Libyan politician.

he should have had extra security on the anniversary of 9-11, wouldn't you think????

but really what obama should be doing is concentrating on the country that he was elected to lead, the UNITED STATES, and fixing the economy so that the desperate federal reserve doesn't stick us with the extreme quantitative easing that they just did. i guess they don't even care now that we all know that the "recovery" was a lie.

our country is in a mess, and another round of quantitative easing is just going to make it worse.

ron paul said it best during round 1 of QE:

Politicians need to understand that without real change default is inevitable. In fact, default happens every day through monetary policy tricks. Every time the Federal Reserve engages in more quantitative easing and devalues the dollar, it is defaulting on the American people by eroding their purchasing power and inflating their savings away.

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