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The answer to your question is NO, because you asked a wrong question. The correct question is: WHYare government workers lazy? The simply answer is because there is no profit motive. Regardless how you performance is, you get pay the same. So why work hard?
When you have a disincentive to work hard, why work hard?
so you don't get fired.......I could clean out half of Houston's workers in one day.....bunch of dumb lazy people...If you don't perform the job you were hired to do, you need to be fired...
Maybe there is a middle ground to our collective criticism.
I too have noticed that government workers don't work as hard as private industry folks in general, with the lack of incentive as the obvious reason.
But the current US business culture doesn't have the right answer either; the expectation of work to live and not the other way around is prevalent in nearly all worthwhile jobs in business. 60 hour work weeks as a prerequisite to even a shot at a middle class life isn't the answer to forming a more perfect union IMO.
I did work extra hours and was not compensated. When I took the job it was $40,000K for 40 hours. The contractor then wanted to get their costs down and started doing uncompensated overtime. I was required to work 45 hours with no additional pay. Yes, I could have quit my job.
Yes, I can get comp time. "TIME" not "PAY". It shows up in my check as leave. I do not get paid overtime (MONEY).
My command only approves comp time in dire circumstances. In fact, in my 5 years here, I've never gotten it. There are plenty of people here working extra hours that get no comp time or pay for it but they do it to keep their heads above water.
I'm sorry you have a tough time imagining life outside of YOUR past DoD experience. I work with different components of the DoD daily and I am quite amazed at how they all work differently. Some have easy access to credit hours, some get none at all, and some are like my group and may get it sporadically.
Now, you seem like you need to go get laid or something. So full of venom. You are accusing me of lying apparently and I am just relating my experience that is truthful. I don't appreciate me jumping down my back and trying to act like I making stuff up.
"Yes, I can get comp time. "TIME" not "PAY".
When YOU post, "I get paid for comp time is if I don't use it within the period of time.." tells me you get paid for comp time. I know I am dense sometimes but, I can read and comprehend. Make up your mind.
I am sorry you have tough time trying to write in a manner we can understand when you contradict yourself.
Like you claimed yourself, "Yes, I could have quit my job.". Quit whining because YOU made a choice.
OK, in this thread I've read experiences from maybe 3 actual government workers; the remaining posts are all opinions from people whose predominant experiences with government agencies are probably the DMV and Post Office. I work for state government as a civil engineer and deal with public misconceptions often. Either we are the "big bad State ready to demolish and declare eminent domain for the sake of roadway improvements that don't pan out" or we are just a group of lazy souls egregiously spending taxpayer money while spinning around in office chairs. In actuality (at least in my agency), we're hard working employees who continually fight these idiotic public perceptions, all the while being furloughed and having potential raises cut so that the state does not slip into a budget crisis. Several of us have not received a raise of any kind in over 3 years.
I personally routinely work 45-50 hours, much of the time uncompensated for the additional hours. Because of the nature of work I do, sometimes it's just necessary to put in the additional hours and not worth the headache of submitting paperwork for it. This is common for a lot of the engineers in our office. As someone pointed out earlier, which is true at my job, approved overtime is compensated through vacation hours. I'd have to double check our policy, but I think we can only get cash pay for unused comp time if we transfer departments or leave the agency.
When YOU post, "I get paid for comp time is if I don't use it within the period of time.." tells me you get paid for comp time. I know I am dense sometimes but, I can read and comprehend. Make up your mind.
I am sorry you have tough time trying to write in a manner we can understand when you contradict yourself.
Like you claimed yourself, "Yes, I could have quit my job.". Quit whining because YOU made a choice.
OK, I see that you just want to be an internet bully. Fun stuff.
Here's the deal, Mr. Brilliant: the rule with COMP time is that everyone gets paid for it if they do not take it as leave within the expiration of the comp time. So let's say that I earn 8 hours of comp time and it is good for 12 months. If I do not use that time as LEAVE within 12 months, it will be paid out to me in my paycheck. However, this is not allowed to occur in our agency and we get coerced into taking the leave. But the rules are that I could conceivably get paid for the comp time if I went against my SES's wishes.
I don't get where you think I was ever whining. I have loved all of my jobs. I was making a point about the Heritage study that claims that contractors work more. They may very well work more because they bid 45 hour work weeks and don't "pay" their employees for that time. You obviously do not understand uncompensated overtime contracts because that is their specific purpose: to lower the employees' pay rates to make the contractor more biddable. Rarely does employee enter into that agreement in the beginning of their employment, it is often thrust on them in a rebid. Those that are able to walk away from it, do so. I can also tell you that in order to make a 45-hour uncompensated overtime work week more palatable to their employees so they don't all leave, the employees are "unofficially" told to take longer lunches or use their last hour as "downtime."
Now, I really don't get your beef as I didn't have an axe to grind on either of these subjects. I am just responding to the statistics used in the Heritage study.
OK, I see that you just want to be an internet bully. Fun stuff.
Here's the deal, Mr. Brilliant: the rule with COMP time is that everyone gets paid for it if they do not take it as leave within the expiration of the comp time. So let's say that I earn 8 hours of comp time and it is good for 12 months. If I do not use that time as LEAVE within 12 months, it will be paid out to me in my paycheck. However, this is not allowed to occur in our agency and we get coerced into taking the leave. But the rules are that I could conceivably get paid for the comp time if I went against my SES's wishes.
I don't get where you think I was ever whining. I have loved all of my jobs. I was making a point about the Heritage study that claims that contractors work more. They may very well work more because they bid 45 hour work weeks and don't "pay" their employees for that time. You obviously do not understand uncompensated overtime contracts because that is their specific purpose: to lower the employees' pay rates to make the contractor more biddable. Rarely does employee enter into that agreement in the beginning of their employment, it is often thrust on them in a rebid. Those that are able to walk away from it, do so. I can also tell you that in order to make a 45-hour uncompensated overtime work week more palatable to their employees so they don't all leave, the employees are "unofficially" told to take longer lunches or use their last hour as "downtime."
Now, I really don't get your beef as I didn't have an axe to grind on either of these subjects. I am just responding to the statistics used in the Heritage study.
I know you don't get it. You made a claim that you DON'T get paid. I called you out on it. Then you post that you DO get paid if you don't use your comp time by a certain period.
Now because I showed your inconsistencies you call me a bully and post, " the rule with COMP time is that everyone gets paid for it if they do not take it as leave within the expiration of the comp time"
You don't have to explain to me how comp time works. remember I lived with it for 17 years.
" I was making a point about .". You are the one who brought up pay. The issue is, "the Heritage study that claims that contractors work more", NOT how much someone is paid for that work.
Try to stay on topic and not muddle the discussion with other issues.
" I see that you just want to be an internet bully." "Here's the deal, Mr. Brilliant".
Look, if you can't take criticism and have to resort to childish name calling when someone points out your errors, I suggest to stay away.
My ex-wife is a government worker. She is a planner for the state health department, and works on plans for state government response to epidemics. If she doesn't hustle, people die. And I suspect that is the case with many other government workers as well. The self employed and private sector employees aren't the only hard workers in this country. Public service is still an honorable vocation.
That is very honorable work. I mean no disrespect by saying this.
How many epidemics does your state currently face in 365 days?
What does your ex wife do at work with the days, weeks, months, and years she is not writing one paragraph press releases at the 8th grade reading level in response to epidemics?
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