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Old 09-21-2012, 01:41 PM
 
Location: the AZ desert
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Yes, for those involved, so the charity is selfish in nature. Not like giving money to the SPCA, for example.
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But is Romney donating money to the SPCA?

No, it seems to be going exclusively to his church and his foundation.

I agree with qr5667...giving to those things just keeps the money in their own pockets.
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It only matters when conservatives purport to be more charitable, but in fact the charity is largely self serving.
Ah, yes. Things like providing clean water to 1,100,000 people in 33 countries is very self-serving. Don't let facts get in your way, though.

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Old 09-21-2012, 01:42 PM
 
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Ah, I hit a nerve. It is my business because conservatives have talked about how they are supposedly more generous.

Wait, I have nothing to whine about, when I disagree with government policy? Really? So you don't ever complain about, say... welfare?



It only matters when conservatives purport to be more charitable, but in fact the charity is largely self serving.
No. The problem is that you don't consider it generous unless it meets the standards of what you consider worthy. Some people wouldn't donate to the SPCA because they would rather give to humans. Others give to charities across the globe; some stay domestic. The great thing is that they can do that without meeting the personal opinions of each other. You don't like churches - fine, give your millions to help pets. I hope the $300 given by Mr. Biden went to a cause that meets your approval.

The fact is that churches do a lot of charitable deeds but you disqualify them because there is a symbol on the building you find objectionable - that doesn't make it less helpful to other people. Why not say it's good that he would give money to something he believes is important (you know - the tolerance thing?) instead of moaning that it didn't go to the government to fund a study on African penis washing (Feds spent $800,000 of economic stimulus on African genital-washing program - News - Tom Coburn, M.D., United States Senator from Oklahoma)
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Old 09-21-2012, 01:43 PM
 
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Ah, yes. Things like providing clean water to 1,100,000 people in 33 countries is very self-serving. Don't let facts get in your way, though.

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That would be the LDS with assets of over 30,000,000, correct? Wonder how much of that goes towards providing clean water...
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Old 09-21-2012, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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It only matters when conservatives purport to be more charitable, but in fact the charity is largely self serving.
What I get from my church is miniscule compared to the help I'm giving others.
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Old 09-21-2012, 01:49 PM
 
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What I get from my church is miniscule compared to the help I'm giving others.
If you don't get much from your church, why do you go? Aren't there more edifying things to do if the church is not fulfilling your intellectual, spiritual, and community needs?
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Old 09-21-2012, 01:51 PM
 
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That would be the LDS with assets of over 30,000,000, correct? Wonder how much of that goes towards providing clean water...
That was just one, singular example, which is why I phrased it: Things like providing clean water to 1,100,000 people in 33 countries ...

Why don't you try reading the link provided and educating yourself with what else they do?

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Old 09-21-2012, 01:54 PM
 
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That was just one, singular example, which is why I phrased it: Things like providing clean water to 1,100,000 people in 33 countries ...

Why don't you try reading the link provided and educating yourself with what else they do? It may make your posts appear far more intelligent.
I get what you're saying, that still doesn't tell us what % of religious giving goes to actual charity, and how much goes towards paying bishops, maintaining churches, paying for big screen T.Vs when the religious rock bands show up (not to mention paying those religious rock bands), etc.
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Old 09-21-2012, 01:55 PM
 
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Ten percent of 14 million would be 1.4 million. Where do you suppose the other 2.6 million went?
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Old 09-21-2012, 01:59 PM
 
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Ten percent of 14 million would be 1.4 million. Where do you suppose the other 2.6 million went?
Well, he gives to his charitable trust, the Taylor Group, which out of the 8 million Romney has given to it, 5 million has gone to the LDS, 600,000 to BYU, 100,000 to the GWB library, and the rest to various groups.
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:00 PM
 
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If you don't get much from your church, why do you go? Aren't there more edifying things to do if the church is not fulfilling your intellectual, spiritual, and community needs?
I was speaking in financial terms.
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