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Old 09-26-2012, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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OP - You assume that MJ users are unaware of the direct and the side effects of this drug. I think most are well aware there is a minute chance of heart problems associated with using this drug. The few that are unaware are just fools.

I do not use MJ because it simply costs too much. If I want to really relax there is cheap alcohol. At least one friend of mine that suffers from severe chronic pain found considerable relief from smoking a joint or two. I do not understand why he is or should have to break the law for some pain relief. I would feel the same if he were using opiates for the same reason. Hell, I would not object if he were using the stuff because he wanted to get high.

I think marijuana and other proscribed drugs should be available over the counter in liquor and tobacco shops just like those. Requiring prescriptions of completely prohibiting MJ and the opiates is completely unnecessary.

The adults will do just fine and the fools will just jerk themselves out of the gene pool.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:12 AM
 
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I also want marijuana legalized so the fiber industries can start providing hemp cloth and thread. This cloth is just a fine as cotton and wears for a much longer time. Suppressing hemp was why MJ was outlawed in the first place. The cotton industry was eliminating some of the competition in what might have been a free market. That was intolerable to Big Cotton. Why compete when you can bribe the government into eliminating your rival?
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:12 AM
 
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OP - You assume that MJ users are unaware of the direct and the side effects of this drug. I think most are well aware there is a minute chance of heart problems associated with using this drug. The few that are unaware are just fools.

I do not use MJ because it simply costs too much. If I want to really relax there is cheap alcohol. At least one friend of mine that suffers from severe chronic pain found considerable relief from smoking a joint or two. I do not understand why he is or should have to break the law for some pain relief. I would feel the same if he were using opiates for the same reason. Hell, I would not object if he were using the stuff because he wanted to get high.

I think marijuana and other proscribed drugs should be available over the counter in liquor and tobacco shops just like those. Requiring prescriptions of completely prohibiting MJ and the opiates is completely unnecessary.

The adults will do just fine and the fools will just jerk themselves out of the gene pool.
Greg, most people do not know that marijuana can cause short-term heart issues. I wouldn't label those people as fools. There is a ton of misinformation spread on both sides because it has become a political issue, not a medical one.

It's actually obnoxiously difficult to get serious information about marijuana, and it was almost impossible pre-internet.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:42 AM
 
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Greg, most people do not know that marijuana can cause short-term heart issues. I wouldn't label those people as fools. There is a ton of misinformation spread on both sides because it has become a political issue, not a medical one.

It's actually obnoxiously difficult to get serious information about marijuana, and it was almost impossible pre-internet.
Exactly. My issue isn't with the legality. As you stated, there is not very much information available about marijuana. If it's legalized, the potential negative side affects should be highlighted so users can be aware about the risks involved.

I understand that it can relieve pain and be used for a variety of other ailments, but that doesn't mean that there is no inherent risk associated with use, especially if a user has pre-existing heart condition, and perhaps one they aren't even aware of such as wolf-parkinson-white, in which case many people are asymtomatic and have no idea they even have it that condition.

It's possible that marijuana affects the electrical conductivity of the heart. If this is the case, it should be studied. Afterall, there must be some reason that marijuana use causes tachycardia.

What are the long term side affects or the short term? It should be known because if there are any, people won't just go about their lives, smoking multiple times per day, thinking all the while there are no negative side affects.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:46 AM
 
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Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant.

In the 1930s, innovations in farm machinery would have caused an industrial revolution when applied to hemp. This single resource could have created millions of new jobs generating thousands of quality products. Hemp, if not made illegal, would have brought America out of the Great Depression.

William Randolph Hearst (Citizen Kane) and the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division of Kimberly Clark owned vast acreage of timberlands. The Hearst Company supplied most paper products. Patty Hearst's grandfather, a destroyer of nature for his own personal profit, stood to lose billions because of hemp.

In 1937, Dupont patented the processes to make plastics from oil and coal. Dupont's Annual Report urged stockholders to invest in its new petrochemical division. Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane, celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron, etc., could now be made from oil. Natural hemp industrialization would have ruined over 80% of Dupont's business.

Andrew Mellon became Secretary of the Treasury and Dupont's primary investor. He appointed his future nephew-in-law, Harry J. Anslinger, to head the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs.

Secret meetings were held by these financial tycoons. Hemp was declared dangerous and a threat to their billion dollar enterprises. For their dynasties to remain intact, hemp had to go. These men took an obscure Mexican slang word: 'marihuana' and pushed it into the consciousness of America.

MEDIA MANIPULATION

A media blitz of 'yellow journalism' raged in the late 1920s and 1930s. Hearst's newspapers ran stories emphasizing the horrors of marihuana. The menace of marihuana made headlines. Readers learned that it was responsible for everything from car accidents to loose morality.

Films like 'Reefer Madness' (1936), 'Marihuana: Assassin of Youth' (1935) and 'Marihuana: The Devil's Weed' (1936) were propaganda designed by these industrialists to create an enemy. Their purpose was to gain public support so that anti-marihuana laws could be passed.

Reefer Madness did not end with the usual 'the end.' The film concluded with these words plastered on the screen: TELL YOUR CHILDREN.

In the 1930s, people were very naive; even to the point of ignorance. The masses were like sheep waiting to be led by the few in power. They did not challenge authority. If the news was in print or on the radio, they believed it had to be true. They told their children and their children grew up to be the parents of the baby-boomers.

On April 14, 1937, the Prohibitive Marihuana Tax Law or the bill that outlawed hemp was directly brought to the House Ways and Means Committee. This committee is the only one that can introduce a bill to the House floor without it being debated by other committees. The Chairman of the Ways and Means, Robert Doughton, was a Dupont supporter. He insured that the bill would pass Congress.

Dr. James Woodward, a physician and attorney, testified too late on behalf of the American Medical Association. He told the committee that the reason the AMA had not denounced the Marihuana Tax Law sooner was that the Association had just discovered that marihuana was hemp.

Few people, at the time, realized that the deadly menace they had been reading about on Hearst's front pages was in fact passive hemp. The AMA understood cannabis to be a MEDICINE found in numerous healing products sold over the last hundred years.

In September of 1937, hemp became illegal. The most useful crop known became a drug and our planet has been suffering ever since.

Congress banned hemp because it was said to be the most violence-causing drug known. Anslinger, head of the Drug Commission for 31 years, promoted the idea that marihuana made users act extremely violent. In the 1950s, under the Communist threat of McCarthyism, Anslinger now said the exact opposite. Marijuana will pacify you so much that soldiers would not want to fight.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:47 AM
 
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THE WONDER PLANT

Hemp has a higher quality fiber than wood fiber. Far fewer caustic chemicals are required to make paper from hemp than from trees. Hemp paper does not turn yellow and is very durable. The plant grows quickly to maturity in a season where trees take a lifetime.

ALL PLASTIC PRODUCTS SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP SEED OIL. Hempen plastics are biodegradable! Over time, they would break down and not harm the environment. Oil-based plastics, the ones we are very familiar with, help ruin nature; they do not break down and will do great harm in the future. The process to produce the vast array of natural (hempen) plastics will not ruin the rivers as Dupont and other petrochemical companies have done. Ecology does not fit in with the plans of the Oil Industry and the political machine. Hemp products are safe and natural.

MEDICINES SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP. We should go back to the days when the AMA supported cannabis cures. 'Medical Marijuana' is given out legally to only a handful of people while the rest of us are forced into a system that relies on chemicals. Pot is only healthy for the human body.

WORLD HUNGER COULD END. A large variety of food products can be generated from hemp. The seeds contain one of the highest sources of protein in nature. ALSO: They have two essential fatty acids that clean your body of cholesterol. These essential fatty acids are not found anywhere else in nature! Consuming pot seeds is the best thing you could do for your body. Eat uncooked hemp seeds.

CLOTHES SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP. Hemp clothing is extremely strong and durable over time. You could hand clothing, made from pot, down to your grandchildren. Today, there are American companies that make hemp clothing; usually 50% hemp. Hemp fabrics should be everywhere. Instead, they are almost underground. Superior hemp products are not allowed to advertise on fascist television. Kentucky, once the top hemp producing state, made it ILLEGAL TO WEAR hemp clothing! Can you imagine being thrown into jail for wearing quality jeans?

The brainwashing continues. Now, the commercials say: If you buy a joint, you contribute to murders and gang wars. The latest anti-pot commercials say: If you buy a joint...you are promoting TERRORISM! The new enemy (terrorism) has paved the road to brainwash you any way THEY see fit.

…POT IS ILLEGAL BECAUSE LIBERAL BILLIONAIRES WANT TO REMAIN BILLIONAIRES!
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:49 AM
 
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The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:

* All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974.

* It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981.

* REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.

* George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America.

* Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Napoleon wanted to cut off Moscow's export to England; Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer.

* For thousands of years, 90% of all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary.

* 80% of all textiles, fabrics, clothes, linen, drapes, bed sheets, etc. were made from hemp until the 1820s with the introduction of the cotton gin.

* The first Bibles, maps, charts, Betsy Ross's flag, the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were made from hemp; U.S. Government Archives.

* The first crop grown in many states was hemp. 1850 was a peak year for Kentucky producing 40,000 tons. Hemp was the largest cash crop until the 20th Century; State Archives.

* Oldest known records of hemp farming go back 5000 years in China, although hemp industrialization probably goes back to ancient Egypt.

* Rembrants, Gainsboroughs, Van Goghs as well as most early canvas paintings were principally painted on hemp linen.

* In 1916, the U.S. Government predicted that by the 1940s all paper would come from hemp and that no more trees need to be cut down. Government studies report that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees. Plans were in the works to implement such programs; Department of Agriculture

* Quality paints and varnishes were made from hemp seed oil until 1937. 58,000 tons of hemp seeds were used in America for paint products in 1935; Sherman Williams Paint Co. testimony before Congress against the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act.

* Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.

* Hemp called 'Billion Dollar Crop.' It was the first time a cash crop had a business potential to exceed a billion dollars; Popular Mechanics, Feb., 1938.

* Mechanical Engineering Magazine (Feb. 1938) published an article entitled 'The Most Profitable and Desirable Crop that Can be Grown.' It stated that if hemp was cultivated using 20th Century technology, it would be the single largest agricultural crop in the U.S. and the rest of the world.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Consider the possibility that smoking marijuana creates an oxygen deprivation that, without the powerful stimulant effect of nicotine, creates heart stress. It may just be the smoking and not the analgesic effect that is causing the reported problem. I believe legalizing Marijuana and conducting proper studies would be a far better path than continued prohibition.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:58 AM
 
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Consider the possibility that smoking marijuana creates an oxygen deprivation that, without the powerful stimulant effect of nicotine, creates heart stress. It may just be the smoking and not the analgesic effect that is causing the reported problem. I believe legalizing Marijuana and conducting proper studies would be a far better path than continued prohibition.
While it's difficult to guage the long term affects of marijuana, the FDA should start conducting studies now, and then perhaps, give a time table to legalization.

I considered that it was the smoke that causes oxygen depletion, but apparently it may be related to the THC, because regardless of whether it's smoked or indigested, tachycardia is a common side affect.

Honestly, I have no idea what causes it. And it seems that scientists are equally baffled because even the head of Cannibus research at Harvard does not know why there are cardial related problems associated with its use.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:59 AM
 
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I am astonished! For once I agree with workingclasshero.
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