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View Poll Results: I support:
a universal healthcare system. 48 82.76%
a charity based healthcare system. 10 17.24%
Voters: 58. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-25-2012, 10:07 PM
 
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Hello all, I haven't posted in this forum in a while but I couldn't help but to think about Universal Healthcare in America that liberals want vs a charity based healthcare system that conservatives seem to want. I'm a liberal for the most part so I believe in a universal healthcare system only because people are going to have to pay for healthcare one way or another, rather its through insurance or just paying for a hospital bill, I don't see how a increase in taxes would hurt us. The opposite side of this is a charity based healthcare system, how exactly would this work? To me it would seem like only a few patients would be served by it since its based on charity; we both (conservatives and liberals) agree that healthcare cost need to be drastically lowered but who's going to pay for healthcare is a debate. So pretty much I'd like to know how a charity based system would work? I just don't see it working effectively.

SN: I know a charity based system wouldn't be completely charity based.
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:56 AM
 
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The real choice is between voluntarism and force. Do you want to persuade people or use violence against them?
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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how about a 3rd choice....

its YOUR health, YOUR body, YOUR bill...pay YOUR own gosh darn bill.....no taxes, no charity, no insurance
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Bogus poll.
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Old 09-26-2012, 08:05 AM
 
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how about a 3rd choice....

its YOUR health, YOUR body, YOUR bill...pay YOUR own gosh darn bill.....no taxes, no charity, no insurance
So if a family member or close friend needs assistance in getting medical attention, you're going to tell them, "it's your body, your health, your bill. Pay your gosh darn bill."?


I would want to be your friend.


OP, this is a complex topic. I don't think there is a single solution. Economist, Dean Baker, proposes an international market of medical professionals. Allowing international physicians to practice in the US and enabling Americans access to international physicians would bring down cost. In essence, medical professionals in the US are keeping cost up by not allowing doctors from overseas to be an alternative for customers. Medical lobbyists have been fighting this initiative for years.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/16/news...osts/index.htm
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Old 09-26-2012, 08:16 AM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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As former military dependent, then actually in the military - I am used to (and appreciate) our universal health care (nearly universal, actually). I find it funny that some in the military are against it when we have it. However, it is expensive but if we scale back the Great American Empire and bring our military back from Japan, South Korea, Germany, England, Italy . . . (they don't need us there and it is expensive for us), then we could afford it. We can still choose our doctors (not unlike our current health care) and enjoy everything that we currently have. I know it can be this way, because it is this way for the military health care. It does work - but we have to cut back somewhere. Medicare/Medicaid and a scaled back military will be needed. But both the Dems and Reps like to demonize their opposition for suggesting that those monies be rerouted to a more efficient system or just isn't needed (just shows that they care about their re-elections more than doing what is best for us).
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Old 09-26-2012, 08:21 AM
 
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If charity alone worked, there'd be nobody starving. Nobody homeless.

Before government social programs, poverty was worse than it is today by a long shot, especially among children and seniors.
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Old 09-26-2012, 08:26 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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how about a 3rd choice....

its YOUR health, YOUR body, YOUR bill...pay YOUR own gosh darn bill.....no taxes, no charity, no insurance
You couldn't even do this if you got into a serious emergency. Pretty much no one can.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:30 AM
 
Location: North America
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how about a 3rd choice....

its YOUR health, YOUR body, YOUR bill...pay YOUR own gosh darn bill.....no taxes, no charity, no insurance
Exactly!

If someone chooses to stuff cheeseburgers and chocolate shakes into their body while smoking and drinking for most of their life why should I be punished?
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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So if a family member or close friend needs assistance in getting medical attention, you're going to tell them, "it's your body, your health, your bill. Pay your gosh darn bill."?
No.

That's what friends and family are for. They help each other.
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