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Old 09-26-2012, 12:42 PM
 
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Don't say we didn't tell you so Liberals........


Oh, the costly and complex revelations of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act — will they never cease?


Part of then-candidate Obama’s argumentation for a plan for instituting universal health care was that such a plan would help to lower the costs and premiums for both individuals and businesses — and he estimated that we’d be able to see these widespread benefits by the end of his first term in office.


But ABC is reporting on two new independent studies suggesting that both health insurance premiums and health care spending are rising at an accelerated pace during Obama’s tenure. Oh joy, oh rapture:

Spending on health care rose 4.6 percent in 2011 — up $4,500 per person, on averageaccording to the nonpartisan Health Care Cost Institute. That’s up from a 3.8 growth rate in 2010.


Health insurance premiums for individuals and families also climbed year-over-year, up 3 percent ($186) on average for an individual and 4 percent ($672) on average for a family, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.


During Obama’s term, between 2009 to 2012, premiums have climbed $2,370 for the average family with an employer-provided plan – a rate faster than the during the previous four years under President George W. Bush, according to Kaiser.






During the 2008 campaign and health care reform debate in 2009, President Obama said repeatedly that his plan would bend the cost curve downward, ultimately saving the average family $2,500 per year.


At a rally in Virginia in June 2008, Obama said: “In an Obama administration, we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year.”





“We won’t do all this twenty years from now, or ten years from now,” he said. “We’ll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.”


He LIED.


Paired with all of ObamaCare’s other little surprises (doctor shortages, regulatory and bureaucratic costs, innovation-killing taxes), why am I not comforted?
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Don't say we didn't tell you so Liberals........


Oh, the costly and complex revelations of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act — will they never cease?


Part of then-candidate Obama’s argumentation for a plan for instituting universal health care was that such a plan would help to lower the costs and premiums for both individuals and businesses — and he estimated that we’d be able to see these widespread benefits by the end of his first term in office.


But ABC is reporting on two new independent studies suggesting that both health insurance premiums and health care spending are rising at an accelerated pace during Obama’s tenure. Oh joy, oh rapture:
Spending on health care rose 4.6 percent in 2011 — up $4,500 per person, on averageaccording to the nonpartisan Health Care Cost Institute. That’s up from a 3.8 growth rate in 2010.


Health insurance premiums for individuals and families also climbed year-over-year, up 3 percent ($186) on average for an individual and 4 percent ($672) on average for a family, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.


During Obama’s term, between 2009 to 2012, premiums have climbed $2,370 for the average family with an employer-provided plan – a rate faster than the during the previous four years under President George W. Bush, according to Kaiser.






During the 2008 campaign and health care reform debate in 2009, President Obama said repeatedly that his plan would bend the cost curve downward, ultimately saving the average family $2,500 per year.


At a rally in Virginia in June 2008, Obama said: “In an Obama administration, we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year.”





“We won’t do all this twenty years from now, or ten years from now,” he said. “We’ll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.”


He LIED.


Paired with all of ObamaCare’s other little surprises (doctor shortages, regulatory and bureaucratic costs, innovation-killing taxes), why am I not comforted?
Read the ACA Law, not Ralph Reed's instructions for his misinformation machine.
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:02 PM
 
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Even more hilarious.......

Obama pushed the AHCA as a "Jobs Act" and Nancy Pelosi said it would "create 400,000 jobs immediately"

The shallow thinkers (aka: Liberals) fell for that stuff hook, line, and sinker.

Now we are stuck with horrible health care, rising health care costs, rising health care insurance prices, AND it didn't create a single job as it was promised to.

Well, except for the extra IRS agents to enforce it that it.
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:04 PM
 
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Read the ACA Law, not Ralph Reed's instructions for his misinformation machine.

Why would I read the ACA when even Democrats admitted they didn't read it before they voted for it?

I'm sure you didn't either.

However, I note that you didn't dispute any point made in the article.
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Why would I read the ACA when even Democrats admitted they didn't read it before they voted for it?

I'm sure you didn't either.

However, I note that you didn't dispute any point made in the article.
You would be wrong on all these assertions and the "disputing" of the nonsense spewed is contained in the Law that hasn't completely rolled out yet, and won't be for a year or more. Ins exchange won't start til 2014 as with mandating people buy Insurance that will spread the risk, thus lower the rates. Cost reduction impact will be several years developing and will need additional legislation, hopefully there will be a functioning GOP in a couple of years that will help that process. Like I said, read the Law. Here's a summary and a site that give a lot of info on it, so you won't have to rely on some of the old Abramoff crew for your "info".

http://www.kff.org/healthreform/8061.cfm?source=QL
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:23 PM
 
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Here are the FACTS.....dispute that they aren't true:

Spending on health care rose 4.6 percent in 2011 — up $4,500 per person, on averageaccording to the nonpartisan Health Care Cost Institute. That’s up from a 3.8 growth rate in 2010.

Health insurance premiums for individuals and families also climbed year-over-year, up 3 percent ($186) on average for an individual and 4 percent ($672) on average for a family, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

During Obama’s term, between 2009 to 2012, premiums have climbed $2,370 for the average family with an employer-provided plan – a rate faster than the during the previous four years under President George W. Bush, according to Kaiser.
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:40 PM
 
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Here are the FACTS.....dispute that they aren't true:

Spending on health care rose 4.6 percent in 2011 — up $4,500 per person, on averageaccording to the nonpartisan Health Care Cost Institute. That’s up from a 3.8 growth rate in 2010.

Health insurance premiums for individuals and families also climbed year-over-year, up 3 percent ($186) on average for an individual and 4 percent ($672) on average for a family, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

During Obama’s term, between 2009 to 2012, premiums have climbed $2,370 for the average family with an employer-provided plan – a rate faster than the during the previous four years under President George W. Bush, according to Kaiser.
What, in the ACA do you think would have an impact on the above facts that have been occurring for decades, incidentally at a faster rate. Pray tell the source of your "wisdom".
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:45 PM
 
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What, in the ACA do you think would have an impact on the above facts that have been occurring for decades, incidentally at a faster rate. Pray tell the source of your "wisdom".

Yes, most everything goes up in price. But with the advent of Obamacare, it has gone up FASTER than it would have without it:

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During Obama’s term, between 2009 to 2012, premiums have climbed $2,370 for the average family with an employer-provided plan – a rate faster than the during the previous four years under President George W. Bush.
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:46 PM
 
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Remember, 'cut' = 'lessen the rate of growth', not 'decrease' in Washington-speak.
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:49 PM
 
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Yes, most everything goes up in price. But with the advent of Obamacare, it has gone up FASTER than it would have without it:
I am sure you pretend to not understand what I am saying, but most reading this exchange, do understand. So carry on with your work.
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