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Old 09-27-2012, 11:11 AM
 
Location: NC
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Too bad Bernie Sanders retired. He is about as centrist as they get from my point of view.
He is not retired he is a Senator and a good one at that.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Power divided is power controlled..It works both ways you know. If the parties keep us the people devided they can do whatever they want... If we keep that power divided between the party's we get gridlock and neither side can do what they want....IMOP we'll never get together like we did back in WW2. I for one am happy surviving at the place I'm in right now....
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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I do not think the country can be united, what I care about is results. When I think about modern day leaders that could get results I think of LBJ and Reagan. Say what you want about either but they knew how to lead and get er done. The best thing on the table is Simpson/Bowles, when anyone looks at the report there is portions they love. And at the same time there is portions that makes them want to hurl.

I can picture LBJ telling the party leaders " here is the Simpson/Bowles report and we are going to start and finish right here and I want a bill on my desk so grind one out" Face it, there has to be some horse trading, one side will get what they want by giving into something that they hate. This country needs some shared sacrifice and we can not get out of this mess with out some pain, is there a leader now that would say that? I do not think so.

I think what we will see is both parties digging in their heals while the country gets in worse shape year after year. Nope, I do not think there is such a electable leader.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:21 AM
 
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I love how lying liberals rewrite history to serve their interests.

Ronald Reagan was VILLIFIED by the left when he was President and he would still be villified today as a knuckle-dragging reactionary conservative if he were alive.

Since it's convenient for you to try and lie more by claiming Romney is more extreme than Reagan (LOL - I wish that were true), we have to listen to this faux nostalgia over the "centrist" Ronald Reagan.

I really wish I could find a single liberal with intellectual honesty. There aren't any on this site.
And he started out as a democrat which is why I mentioned the Democrats I have brain damage so my thoughts aren't always 100% clear. I'm working on it and it's gotten better but it's still not good.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:28 AM
 
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Reagan did.

Historically...

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Well that is about is close as we have come. I think people thought differently back then than they do today. People are told what and how to think these days. Didn't have that back then. People were more for betterment of country back then than today. People were OK being unified behind a man with good ideas for the country.

I don't think Reagan would unify anybody today because the people are in a climate of a continuous political battle. And there are people who want the battle to take place.

So I still maintain that it starts with the people.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:32 AM
 
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I can't think of one for the life of me.

I don't see a centrist out there and if one did arise, there's no way they could appeal to the far right or left elements, as polarized and bitter as the country seems to be these days.

Does anyone come to mind?
Paul had WILD backing amongst those of us in the middle. Unfortunately for him, he was running on the Republican ticket, and his ideas were too pragmatic for the Jeebus Loves Guns crowd.

A centrist will never rise to unite the country (even though those of us in the middle are the single largest voting bloc) for one reason: It's a 2 party system, and what each party spits out every 4 years are what the fringes of that party wants, not what the middle wants.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:41 AM
 
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You need to be paying 35%.
Funny how it's always the people paying 0% that talk about how much I need to be paying.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:56 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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They don't even have their own party's support. Lugar was dumped and Thompson survived by the skin of his teeth because the crazy far right split the vote. The TEA party conquest of the GOP is reaching fruition and that is going to ensure a Democratic senate just like it did in 2010.
I apologize, I forgot to put one of these in the post, please fogive my stupidity!

a word about thompson:
when my mom was living, I came down to her place for the weekend. After I got settled in and had some of mom's down home cookin', she told me that tommy used a state helicopter to go to some disfunction
(state helicopter was supposed to be used for med-evac only at the time) and that someone died because the helicopter was tied up hauling him around the state. Medical people needed the copter to transport a critical patient.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:59 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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Funny how it's always the people paying 0% that talk about how much I need to be paying.
Funny how the biggest freeloaders are the biggest crybabies when it comes to paying what they should in taxes, what with all them loopholes, writeoffs, deductions and such. Kind of like government socialism, isn't it?
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:00 PM
 
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Well that is about is close as we have come. I think people thought differently back then than they do today. People are told what and how to think these days. Didn't have that back then. People were more for betterment of country back then than today. People were OK being unified behind a man with good ideas for the country.

I don't think Reagan would unify anybody today because the people are in a climate of a continuous political battle. And there are people who want the battle to take place.

So I still maintain that it starts with the people.
Eisenhower did too, although that was way back in the 50's

They want the country divided, it serves them best given the current oncoming world order
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