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Old 09-27-2012, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Texas
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...than education.
With better education, people will tend not to become poor (alleviating the welfare state).
They will also live healthier lives (lessening health care costs).

Why do we hear so very little about this essential issue during this campaign?!
Your perceived problems with education are actually a problem with culture.

Ever heard the term:

"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink?"

Education is no longer valued in this country. People fritter away their opportunity for good education every day. The culture in this country is that instant gratification and fame-who*e status is superior to that of an intellectual. No one wants to really work hard. Discipline is a joke.

So you could put 100% of the U.S. budget into the educational system and it wouldn't fix a damn thing. We already outspend other countries who perform better than we do.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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Right. I'm unconvinced that Presidents have much more effect on the economy than they do on education, though. Seems as though the economy is an endless cycle of "blaming the last guy" if it's bad and "taking all the credit" if it's good.
They don't. Which is why this beauty pagent of a presidential election is a joke. I'm for Romney personally despite the fact that Obama will likely get the victory. But the real cards are in the hands of congress.

It has always bugged me that people don't take their gubernatorial races or their congressional races as seriously as the presidential. But I guess the latter makes for better television.
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Old 09-28-2012, 02:45 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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They don't. Which is why this beauty pagent of a presidential election is a joke. I'm for Romney personally despite the fact that Obama will likely get the victory. But the real cards are in the hands of congress.

It has always bugged me that people don't take their gubernatorial races or their congressional races as seriously as the presidential. But I guess the latter makes for better television.
And yet you apparently support the very folks who are most hostile to education, both nationally and locally...?!!

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Old 09-28-2012, 02:58 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Your perceived problems with education are actually a problem with culture.

Ever heard the term:

"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink?"

Education is no longer valued in this country. People fritter away their opportunity for good education every day. The culture in this country is that instant gratification and fame-who*e status is superior to that of an intellectual. No one wants to really work hard. Discipline is a joke.

So you could put 100% of the U.S. budget into the educational system and it wouldn't fix a damn thing. We already outspend other countries who perform better than we do.
This is true...we're essentially bribing kids to do what should be expected of them. Updated books, adequete supplies, and nutritious meals are important, but they won't create a desire for learning and discipline needed to advance in life. Too many American parents either don't care or think it's someone else's job to educate their child.
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Old 09-28-2012, 03:01 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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They don't. Which is why this beauty pagent of a presidential election is a joke. I'm for Romney personally despite the fact that Obama will likely get the victory. But the real cards are in the hands of congress.

It has always bugged me that people don't take their gubernatorial races or their congressional races as seriously as the presidential. But I guess the latter makes for better television.
Also a good point. Voters basically rubber-stamp their current senator or representative, unless they've had a recent, serious transgression. It burns me John Boehner is running unopposed in my district this election.
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Old 09-28-2012, 04:14 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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They don't. Which is why this beauty pagent of a presidential election is a joke. I'm for Romney personally despite the fact that Obama will likely get the victory. But the real cards are in the hands of congress.

It has always bugged me that people don't take their gubernatorial races or their congressional races as seriously as the presidential. But I guess the latter makes for better television.
Why on earth would someone vote for Willard when his own party IS distancing themselves from him? Simply because he has the "R" ??

I have never thought that a republican was a free thinker, your post proves that.

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Old 09-28-2012, 04:23 AM
 
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Right. I'm unconvinced that Presidents have much more effect on the economy than they do on education, though. Seems as though the economy is an endless cycle of "blaming the last guy" if it's bad and "taking all the credit" if it's good.



Right now we are living the current guy blaming everyone but himself and taking credit for the sun rising in the morning.
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Old 09-28-2012, 04:59 AM
 
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Right now we are living the current guy blaming everyone but himself and taking credit for the sun rising in the morning.
Yeah, that's a totally unique quality in modern Presidents. Insightful political commentary, that.
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Old 09-28-2012, 05:27 AM
 
Location: right here
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Jobs and the economy...that is number 1. The administration has to do something to get people working again...
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Old 09-28-2012, 08:04 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Jobs and the economy...that is number 1. The administration has to do something to get people working again...
Well, one place we might start is by ditching the folks who wanna outsource the few jobs we even have left!

UPI: Senate GOP blocks anti-outsourcing bill
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