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Originally Posted by victorianpunk
I'm sorry, but everyone says the whole "you'll change your mind on family," or the great "don't let your bad experience ruin you."
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The question is, what is the point of life? What are you trying to accomplish?
Philosophers have argued about this for centuries. Some argue that the point of life is just to be happy. Others argue that it is to basically "make the world a better place". Usually this involves a sense of objective morality, and usually an attempt to help others. I always see the second as, if you were to have never been born, would the world be better off or worse off?
If you believe that the purpose of life is only to be happy as an individual, then having children doesn't serve a purpose if it doesn't make you happy. And statistics show that people with kids aren't more happy than people without kids. Though statistically, people in relationships tend to be much happier than people who are single.
If you believe the purpose of life is to have a positive impact on the world, and you see yourself as a good person. Then it almost becomes a necessity to have children, or at least to be a mentor/role model to other children. What has more of an impact on the world than teaching the next generation proper values?
One of my favorite philosophies has to do with morality. It basically says, something is acceptable only on the basis that, if everyone was doing it all the time, it would still be acceptable.
So, lets take your position vs the opposite of your position, and find out which would still be acceptable under such a philosophy.
Your position is, family is weak, so no one should have children. If that were to happen, then humans would basically cease to exist. Or at least, the weakest people would be the only ones who continue to have children. Which means, humanity would hence become "weaker" in your point-of-view. In conclusion, your position would basically destroy the humanity you believe you are "saving".
The opposite position is, family is a good thing. And everyone has a family. So, the human species continues to exist, just as it has for tens of thousands of years. The people most "family-oriented" will probably continue to have the most children. The families who are most successful will be more competitive, will live longer, and be more "sought after. Thereby breeding out/diluting more of the genes that are socially inferior.
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Originally Posted by victorianpunk
I hate children, politicians, and families. I am against most intimate relationships, hate sports, don't like sunshine, I think babies are ugly and like making jokes about them dying and vomit at the idea of Christmas. I hate almost everything the overrated human race has created...except mystic religions.
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You know, thats fine. I am not going to say you should like any of these things. The problem I have with you isn't that you feel a certain way. Its that you want others to feel the same way as you do. And you come on here saying that other people are weak for not feeling the same way as you do. Without having a coherent argument for why they are supposedly weak for feeling the way they do.
Its one thing to say "I don't like kids", its another to say "If you like kids, you're an idiot". One is your opinion, the other is you trying to force your opinion on others.
I personally think its a good thing you don't want kids. With your state of mind, having a child would be incredibly irresponsible of you. So while I appreciate your opinion about the world and about the act of procreation. Once you start disparaging others opinions, you start coming off as an intolerant jerk.
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Originally Posted by victorianpunk
Now, as for the lame "just because your family was bad" argument, I say this: what if someone enjoyed war? As in they loved killing innocent people and watching their body's die? Well, that guy would be pretty sick huh? That's what I say about adults who love their families, they are SICK. What, you like being around the people who wiped your backside when you were a baby? You enjoy having conversations with the person who pushed you out into this pain and suffering we call life? You enjoy spending time with siblings, whom genetically you should be programmed to kill to keep the resources to yourself?
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Actually, I am a very nostalgic person. I love talking to people about things that happened forever ago. There is something great about being around people who you share a common history with. It seems like every time I'm around my older sister, she reminds me of something that happened when we were young, that I had basically forgot about until she started talking about it.
Its also nice to be around people who will basically love you forever, regardless of what you do. One of my sisters is a real pain in the butt. But I still think about her all the time, and I still want the best for her.
As for being "genetically programmed to kill" your siblings. That simply isn't true. Genetically, you are programmed to grow attachments to your family, which cause you to want to help them, not hurt them.
You should read about "Oxytocin", it is the hormone that causes humans to grow attached to other humans. It plays a large role in human "tribal" behavior, and people without it are basically sociopaths.
Oxytocin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It seems from reading your posts, that you are most likely a bit of a sociopath, and display other narcissistic tendencies. Which could explain your total disassociation with your own family, and why you cannot understand why others feel the way they do about their families. And why you seem so interested in becoming a monk/hermit.
Its really quite sad.
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). A child or children do not complete that "unit". I believe the difference between what you are saying and what the punk is saying is quite different. I respect people who know that children are not the end all gratification to all things in life. There are many people from different backgrounds who have different reasons for not wanting to have children, and those reasons can be viewed as being selfish or for the most part practical. Too bad the parents of the punk weren't practical or selfish with their own life and brought a child into the world that is consumed with hatred. I shudder to think if the punk reproduced.
I took out the question marks in my post above...
