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By claiming that the Bill of Rights applies only to the federal government you have demonstrated beyond all doubt that you don't know what you're talking about.
I claimed no such thing. I stated, and the judge in the case ruled, that the Establishment Clause is interpreted as was explained. Nothing the cheerleaders did represented the establishment of a religion by Congress, or the preference of one religion over another by the U.S. government. The Establishment Clause is quite black and white, and most legal opinions have interpreted it in the same way.
If you cannot follow a simple, straightforward explanation without injecting your own speculation as to some arbitrary, implied meaning that was nonexistent, you have demonstrated the inability to comprehend what you read.
All true, but advocates of letting these cheerleaders do this need to think about what they're opening the door to. If they can add Christian beliefs to the school banner regardless of misrepresentation, then any cheerleader of any other belief system should be permitted to (and will eventually) do the same, even if all the other cheerleaders disagree. After all, any interference or failure to protect this other student's right to promote their religion on the part of the school (including the coaches, etc.) would mean the local government was showing preference for one religion, and then the state and finally the federal government if the case was taken high enough. That would be a violation. I think the Christians who are celebrating this are very short-sighted; sooner or later, one courageous teen is going to shake things up in a way they haven't bargained for. And legally, constitutionally, they will have no way to stop it, thanks to this precedent.
And plus, HEY, the nonsense that results will RUIN high school football as we know it.
That "nonsense" didn't ruin our high school football game a year or so ago when a Muslim student led the prayer.
This verse from the Bible comes to mind.
Matthew 6:6
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
-There seems to be a lot of people who want others to notice them praying or the louder and in your face
they somehow think this makes them better. According to the above passage, I would say not.
This verse from the Bible comes to mind.
Matthew 6:6
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
-There seems to be a lot of people who want others to notice them praying or the louder and in your face
they somehow think this makes them better. According to the above passage, I would say not.
Look, it's not my personal style - I prefer not to pray in public, and I also would be fine with no prayer at all at public events.
What I DO support, however, is free speech and freedom of religion. I don't have any guaranteed right NOT to be offended when others practice those rights in ways that I personally wouldn't choose. But that doesn't matter - it's a trade off. I support their rights to self expression and free speech and religion in exchange for those same rights myself.
This verse from the Bible comes to mind.
Matthew 6:6
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
-There seems to be a lot of people who want others to notice them praying or the louder and in your face
they somehow think this makes them better. According to the above passage, I would say not.
That's a good point. Makes you wonder how many are Christians and how many, you know, follow the Christian doctrine...
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Originally Posted by Greatday
They have been offering prayers before sporting events in Texas since the beginning of time
Hasn't seem to hurt them so far
Wasn't talking about prayers, but how often do you think this sort of thing happens? v
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Originally Posted by KathrynAragon
That "nonsense" didn't ruin our high school football game a year or so ago when a Muslim student led the prayer.
A good time was had by all.
Pray tell, erm... Or just TELL us, what was said in the prayer? And how could you possibly know that all (everyone) was okay with it? I've seen this sort of claim a handful of times in this thread. "Oh, it's not bothering anyone", "Everyone understands the banner wasn't speaking for the school", "No one was offended by it". If you can't be sure of something, why are you throwing it in?
Even if I believed that literally everyone was fine with a Muslim prayer kicking off the football game, it's not the sort of peace and harmony you can count on every time at every school. I stand by my argument. The school functions should not entail religious doctrine or promotion in any way. People can hold up their religous banners in the stands just as well. No religion needs to be mistaken (or put into the position where it can be mistaken) as the school's official faith. I've been waiting for someone to explain why they think otherwise (that there IS a need) but this entire time, I've been given exactly 0 reasons, and counting.
I claimed no such thing. I stated, and the judge in the case ruled, that the Establishment Clause is interpreted as was explained. Nothing the cheerleaders did represented the establishment of a religion by Congress, or the preference of one religion over another by the U.S. government. The Establishment Clause is quite black and white, and most legal opinions have interpreted it in the same way.
If you cannot follow a simple, straightforward explanation without injecting your own speculation as to some arbitrary, implied meaning that was nonexistent, you have demonstrated the inability to comprehend what you read.
Good strategy, dude. Post, then lie about what you posted.
Good strategy, dude. Post, then lie about what you posted.
Good bye.
Beats the strategy of attributing implied meaning to a comment that wasn't included directly or indirectly by the author of said comment, being confrontational about it in the process, then storming off like a butt hurt tween with no allowance money when called on it.
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