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Old 10-06-2012, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Most Americans no understanding of what Socialism is, they often associate it with Communism or like someone mentioned here, Hugo Chavez

To the contrary - most Americans DO UNDERSTAND what Socialism is and they disapprove of it
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:32 PM
 
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I have family in Germany, I have spent some time there and I really love their economic system. Their economy is booming right now and it is a much more humane, compassionate system overall.
German economy is booming???
That statement alone take any credibility away from your post.
You have to learn to observe.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Iowa, Heartland of Murica
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To the contrary - most Americans DO UNDERSTAND what Socialism is and they disapprove of it
So, tell me about the "Socialist" systems in Germany, Austria, the Netherlands and Sweden? In order to disapprove something, you need to understand it first- I am not even going to waste my time on you but if you want to educate yourself, watch this short segment on the difference between the American and the German system.

I don't care for MSNBC and the Young Turks, but he did a good job explaining the differences between the two systems.


German Versus American Economy - YouTube
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:14 PM
 
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So, tell me about the "Socialist" systems in Germany, Austria, the Netherlands and Sweden? In order to disapprove something, you need to understand it first- I am not even going to waste my time on you but if you want to educate yourself, watch this short segment on the difference between the American and the German system.

I don't care for MSNBC and the Young Turks, but he did a good job explaining the differences between the two systems.
I don't want to watch; what was the difference?
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Old 10-06-2012, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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So, tell me about the "Socialist" systems in Germany, Austria, the Netherlands and Sweden? In order to disapprove something, you need to understand it first- I am not even going to waste my time on you but if you want to educate yourself, watch this short segment on the difference between the American and the German system.

I don't care for MSNBC and the Young Turks, but he did a good job explaining the differences between the two systems.


German Versus American Economy - YouTube
Cenk spreads a lot of Pelosi in that video but then you probably like him because he works for the proper "news" channel.

He talks about Obama saying things about spending cuts and all I know about this has come from The Won himself when he talks about the spending cuts he offered to GOP representatives like good old RINO Boehner.

Cenk talks about labor people sitting on boards of directors. I wonder if he has any idea how many UAW leaders have to be sitting on the General Motors board since they own about 60% of the company. The UAW was more of the reason that GM was going down and then they got to be the owners when Government Motors was taken over by Obama. I think that both you and Cenk are very wrong here.

When he talks about how much German wages have come up compared to American wages in that period 1985 to whenever he was delivering that garbage I think that he failed to look at average wages in manufacturing in the two countries in 1985. It is important to know where all that started and he didn't mention any of that at all.

I did see where you picked up a lot of the information you spewed earlier today when I listened to old Cenk, though. Not so much from experience but from listening to certain people, one of who was Cenk.
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Old 10-06-2012, 10:15 PM
 
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so if whoever you worked for said they wanted to cut your pay by 90% because they needed more money to you would gladly take the pay cut? Of course you wouldn't.
If I were worth hundreds of millions or billions, I'd have very little issue giving up half my money (have no clue where your 90% figure comes from) if it will go to people/programs less fortunate than me. It's impossible for me to ever spend that money anyway, and I'll make back what I gave up just in interest, so what difference does it make?
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Old 10-07-2012, 04:07 AM
 
Location: Central, IL
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If I were worth hundreds of millions or billions, I'd have very little issue giving up half my money (have no clue where your 90% figure comes from) if it will go to people/programs less fortunate than me. It's impossible for me to ever spend that money anyway, and I'll make back what I gave up just in interest, so what difference does it make?
So then yes for you, it is about someone who makes more then you should be willing to give up part of their money. If they are going to give up half as you want to say, then you should also. Just because they make more then you does not mean they should be penalized any more.
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:15 AM
 
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And your alternative is?

Corporate greed? What is that, exactly? Is corporate greed exactly like your personal greed where you, as a super trucker, earn $24.00/hr while you saunter into a McDonald's ordering a Big Mac from someone you know is earning one third of what you earn? You know this is true, how on earth can you live with yourself I wonder? Would it not be better if we took your $24.00 plus the McD's worker's $8.00 and split it giving you each $16.00?

Greedy people such as yourself make me sick. How can you earn so much knowing someone else is not being treated fairly? Not treated fairly because of your own personal greed!

Everywhere it has been tried communism has failed in every endeavor except the one to murder millions of people. Socialism has never worked long term and for this all you need do is ask the people of Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy who will soon be followed by France and Great Britain.

As to the western hemisphere all we need do is look at what Chavez has done to Venezuela in turning that once prosperous country into a human toilet overflowing with poverty and crime.
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:23 AM
 
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We're All Socialists Now: Newsweek?

70% of Americans support social security and medicare, for todays retirees, and all of tomorrows, 0 changes to those systems.

While thats impossible with medicare, it'll have to change some, its possible to fix social security.

And it sure as hell doesn't mean privatization.

We are all socialists now.
Sure, we are all Socialists....because we go to jail if we don't play
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Iowa, Heartland of Murica
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The idea that the United States is a "free market, laissez-faire state " is nothing but BS. Like the article talks about, it was under a Conservative GOP administration that we enacted the largest expansion of the welfare state in 30 years: prescription drugs for the elderly.

Try not paying taxes in this country and you go to jail, such a free country we live in

Now the typical uninformed, unaware American will say stuff like this: "To the contrary - most Americans DO UNDERSTAND what Socialism is and they disapprove of it"

Buddy, I think you are giving the American people way too much credit- most people with your mindset have absolutely no idea what is going around them, much less what is going on in other countries.
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