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I'm gonna say the Rebs would've been better off having free people do the work and NOT having a bunch of slaves. Slaves are trouble and I'm being nice.
No. The north had 70% of the population(I believe, not sure though). It was a challenging battle to being with.
Rome also had slaves..I guess they were better off?
I am sure the countries in Africa would have been delevoped and thriving had there been no slave trade to North America and the islands.
Actually Roman slaves were usually war captives. They could buy their freedom as well. It did not apply to their children and family. It's also considered one of the root causes of the disolusion of
Roman society. But then at the time EVERY culture had slaves. It was not considered out of place at all.
And the African trade started long before then, and continued after. Perhaps it would not have had as much of an effect, but it was still going to be there. And you can ask the same about Ireland if it had not become Cromwell's target for what became a genocide. There was a pattern which existed in the world. Some people had value. Most did not and were disposable.
Actually Roman slaves were usually war captives. They could buy their freedom as well. It did not apply to their children and family. It's also considered one of the root causes of the disolusion of
Roman society. But then at the time EVERY culture had slaves. It was not considered out of place at all.
And the African trade started long before then, and continued after. Perhaps it would not have had as much of an effect, but it was still going to be there. And you can ask the same about Ireland if it had not become Cromwell's target for what became a genocide. There was a pattern which existed in the world. Some people had value. Most did not and were disposable.
I believe slavery was different back then though. I don't think as many died back then as of recently nor was it as rough in certain aspects.
I'm gonna say the Rebs would've been better off having free people do the work and NOT having a bunch of slaves. Slaves are trouble and I'm being nice.
The northern industrialists had a much better system, paying little for hours of work with a risk of death, partly from the machinery and partly from locking the doors lest the try to leave. Small children and old people were of no concern to them. It wasn't kind either but it was of greater economic sense. Its been speculated that IF the gentry of the south had been willing to let go of their perceptions, a system far closer to the Northern industrial system would have followed if slaves had been freed by the south. They did not wish to part with their perceptions, and though a very very small percentage of the society, they held most of the marbles.
The inhumanity of human beings toward other human beings is not a new story, much less a local story. There is no need to hide it, because there are lessons we can learn from it. But there is also no need to distort it, so that sins of the whole human species around the world are presented as special defects of "our society" or the sins of a particular race.
If American society and Western civilization are different from other societies and civilization, it is that they eventually turned against slavery, and stamped it out, at a time when non-Western societies around the world were still maintaining slavery and resisting Western pressures to end slavery, including in some cases armed resistance.
Only the fact that the West had more firepower than others put an end to slavery in many non-Western societies during the age of Western imperialism. Yet today there are Americans who have gone to Africa to apologize for slavery - on a continent where slavery has still not been completely ended, to this very moment.
Yes, it was colonization by Western powers that all but ended slavery throughout the world. In the liberals fantasy world the 15th century was an era of enlightened humans outside of Europe. The truth is much different. In all probability the world is a better place due to European colonization.
Nothing like good ol' conservative retroactive optimism to eliminate any lingering pain and resentment from the collective black conscience. Come to think of it, the Holocaust couldn't have been so bad either. After all, they have Israel now. Indigenous peoples, they have casinos. What more could you want?
The northern industrialists had a much better system, paying little for hours of work with a risk of death, partly from the machinery and partly from locking the doors lest the try to leave. Small children and old people were of no concern to them. It wasn't kind either but it was of greater economic sense. Its been speculated that IF the gentry of the south had been willing to let go of their perceptions, a system far closer to the Northern industrial system would have followed if slaves had been freed by the south. They did not wish to part with their perceptions, and though a very very small percentage of the society, they held most of the marbles.
Actually, studies have shown that the slaves were exploited by about 12-25% on an economic basis. You cannot put a price on freedom.
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Actually, studies have shown that the slaves were exploited by about 12-25% on an economic basis. You cannot put a price on freedom.
But, but.... 'ya see these kinda things never matter to bigots and wingnuts as long as they can always come up with some situation where it's worse!
So by their logic, poor folks have it great here, 'cuz at least they're not starving in Somalia... heart attacks, same thing, at least it's not cancer, etc.! In fact that's why they demonize Obama so much... it's the only way they know how to make someone like Romney look "good"!!
Never been to Africa. Have heard it pretty much sucks.
Been to Arkansas, sucks ass too.
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