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Old 10-09-2012, 11:15 PM
 
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What if the original manufacturer went out of business 30 years ago and can't be found? About 10% of what I resell was made overseas, and some of that by firms that no longer exist.

At least now I know what to sell sooner rather than later.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:16 PM
 
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No more foreign cars for sell here. Who would buy? Are they trying to put them out of business? Government/General Motors would love that.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:50 AM
 
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Copyright covers creative works, you can't copyright a car other than mayby the looks and things like software used. I'd have to agree with Bulldogdad's opinion that this would only apply to first sales outside the US so there would be a very limited amount of people this would effect. This article appears to be overblowing what the results of an adverse decision might be, it would be unenforceable unless you were like this person mentioned in the article selling a large volume of merchandise. If you want a similar example of what I mean it's illegal to make a copy of DVD's you own yet millions of people do it every day and no one has ever been prosecuted for it, there has been numerous people prosecuted for it doing it on a massive scale.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:54 AM
 
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Laws that are unenforceable and which nobody obeys aren't really laws.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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If the OP had understood what he/she/it read it would have seen it only pertains to things that are manufactured abroad.

And it does make sense:
No, it doesn't make sense regardless of where the item was manufactured.

And if this law is upheld, it's only a baby step to include local goods.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Sign the petition here;

You've Been Owned: Tell Obama To Stop Siding With Copyright Trolls | Demand Progress
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:31 AM
 
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I think the real issue was importing the books in the first place.

If you purchase an item abroad in good faith with the intent of using it yourself, nothing and no one should be able to prevent you from re-selling it. However if you purchase items abroad with the intent to resell for profit, you are then engaging in a business activity and should be subject to the same laws and tarrifs as ALL businesses who are legally importing foreign goods into the US and using brokers, import codes, paying customs duties etc.

It's the same as if you sell your used car. Try selling ten or more of your "personal" used cars a year and see what happens. Someone somewhere will recognize that you may be running a business as opposed to being a casual seller.

To my thinking his was an import violation because he imported with the intent to resell and run a business and not for personal use.

And for books and DVDs some of those foreign copyright holders can be quite possessive. Ever wonder why you have to set your DVD to only be able to play DVDs from a certain region? As in, you can't play a DVD from Europe if you are in the US?
How to Circumvent DVD Region Codes - NYTimes.com
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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If the OP had understood what he/she/it read it would have seen it only pertains to things that are manufactured abroad.

And it does make sense:
No, It makes no sense and goes to show how desparate some are for money. There are some who would have you work and hand over your entire paycheck to them. Where does it end?
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Clever kid but he did not realize how much trouble he could get into for challenging a monopoly. College texts are one of the great rip-offs in our system. So much for competitive open markets the "capitalists" claim always set prices. Most prices are set to maximize the combination of sales volume and profit.
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:26 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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The first sale doctrine is always under attack.

look at Autodesk.
look at the record companies.

Yes is stinks. The people pushing against it have FAR more money, patience, time... to try to remove the ability to resell something you bought so they can make new ones for a HIGH cost. The Autodesk one is awful and is based on false premises like "we make educational versions cheap" This is half true. The full true story is they make a COMMERCIALLY USELESS version for educational markets for cheap.
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