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Old 10-16-2012, 11:55 AM
 
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Give it up NoJiveMan!!

You said that the people who are killing our troops are the same people who we are training.

Then your own quote says:

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U.S. Marine Gen. John Allen, chief of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force, said last week that an estimated 25% of such attacks are carried out by Taliban infiltrators.
Notice how it says TALIBAN INFILTRATORS????????

I said that it was "insurgents" dressing up as Afghan Military. Since "insurgents" and "Taliban" are the same thing, I'm right and you are wrong!!
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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Your own quote points out it was "alleged" - it says "alleged". Innocent until proven guilty. Not raped/sodomized until proven raped/sodomized. And there is no solid proof nor has there been a statement by a reliable source confirming it happened. Tweets, un-named sources, alleged, sources are not reliable. It's all bull****. Your link identifies a Lebanese newspaper that reported it - that is not a reliable source.

Usually you and I are on the same page, but not on this one.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:05 PM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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Give it up NoJiveMan!!

You said that the people who are killing our troops are the same people who we are training.

Then your own quote says:



Notice how it says TALIBAN INFILTRATORS????????

I said that it was "insurgents" dressing up as Afghan Military. Since "insurgents" and "Taliban" are the same thing, I'm right and you are wrong!!
If you insist.
Insurgent: rising in opposition to civil authority or established leadership

Infiltrate:Gain access to (an organization, place, etc.) furtively and gradually, esp. in order to acquire secret information
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:07 PM
 
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Usually you and I are on the same page, but not on this one.

After I posted that link, someone else posted a link to an UPDATE of that article.

I don't think we are not in agreement at all.

You and I BOTH agree that there is no definitive proof at least not at the moment.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:09 PM
 
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If you insist.
Insurgent: rising in opposition to civil authority or established leadership

Infiltrate:Gain access to (an organization, place, etc.) furtively and gradually, esp. in order to acquire secret information

OMG!!!

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall!!

YOUR OWN QUOTE says TALIBAN INFILTRATORS.

You don't get to separate the two words.

It was the TALIBAN that has been INFILTRATING the ranks of the Afghan Army....EXACTLY what I've been saying all along and your link proved me right!!
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:14 PM
 
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OMG!!!

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall!!

YOUR OWN QUOTE says TALIBAN INFILTRATORS.

You don't get to separate the two words.

It was the TALIBAN that has been INFILTRATING the ranks of the Afghan Army....EXACTLY what I've been saying all along and your link proved me right!!
You called it insurgents,
I called it infiltrators.
You don't get it do you?

Pardon me whilst I leave the room to ROFL at you.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:14 PM
 
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I apologize, the part about sodomy was reported to have come the AFP, apparently that was not the case. The most recent reports seem to be that we don't know what happened. We, as in the public. I'm sure the US government has the autopsy report and knows the truth, but so far all we have gotten is shifting stories from them about the whole incident.
I should have checked the newest info before responding. The autopsy results were never released, so we really have no idea how he died or what happened to him preceding his death.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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In a safe country of a trusted and competent ally, with a stable and capable security force, we can trust them to provide escort protection and such. But in a chaotic, unsafe, unstable country that was just ravaged by a war a year ago, then you would be correct.
Totally agree with that. That should apply to every country in the Middle East. Libya didn't have a military. The US were training rebels with no military experience. Security force are men/women with years of experience. You don't take a kid out of boot camp or 6 months in the field and put him on security detail.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:35 PM
 
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That's actually been debunked. You can buy an Afghan Army uniform anywhere in Afghanistan. Those are insurgents wearing Afghan military uniforms.
That's true, but...

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Afghan insurgents who staged a daring, well-planned raid on Camp Bastion, the military base where Britain's Prince Harry is deployed, were wearing U.S. Army uniforms, NATO said a day after the attack.
NATO releases details of brazen raid on base in Afghanistan - CNN.com
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:44 PM
 
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softblueyz:

No one knows for sure if he was raped or not except the medical examiners who performed the autopsy and perhaps his family since that is private medical information.

No official source has confirmed it as true or untrue at this point in time.

Some sources say yes, and others say not.

That's why SNOPES.com says that it's undetermined.
Sources - un-named. A tweet from Twitter started the rumor. That is not a source.

You are right, no one knows with certainty. If it did happen I'm sure the parents would not want that information out there (as a I parent I wouldn't). It's bad enough he died, but let him die in dignity. When people keep throwing this out - be it true or not - they take the man's dignity away. Everyone hopes to die with dignity. I wish people would stop chipping away at his dignity. It's just plain wrong and disrepectful.
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