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Old 10-16-2012, 03:36 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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In the first debate, Romney got a big bump. Polls that had showed him 5 to 10 percent behind, suddenly started showing him even or a little ahead - even the polls that asked far more Democrats than Republicans.

But that bump didn't come from Obama's (admittedly poor) showing. Rather, they came from people finding, to their surprise, that Romney wasn't the cruel, indifferent, uncaring Ebenezer Scrooge the Democrats had spent millions portraying him as. The debate was the first look most people had gotten of the real Romney in the flesh - and he was a surprisingly nice guy, calm, engaged, reasonable, caring.

People had been seeing 4 years of Obama, and had frequently seen him making articulate, intelligent-sounding speeches. His performance in the first debate was surprisingly poor, but people had seem enough of him to know it was not the "real" Obama - he just had a bad day, they probably figured, he doesn't usually look like that.

But they had pretty much had enough of his intolerant, one-party, big-government rule. The only reason they were clinging to him was that, after his $Millions of ads, they didn't think there was a good replacement. But after the first debate, they began to change their minds, after seeing that Romney wasn' tthe fire-breathing dragon they had heard about in Obama's ads. And they started dropping Obama by the millions.

Fast forward to the second debate, which starts in just a few hours now. Even if Obama puts on a better show than last time (as he likely will), again people have seen it before, he won't show them anything new. So that probably won't change people's minds very much.

The big question is, will Romney put on as good a show at the 2nd debate, as he did at the 1st? If he does, people will be even more convinced that he is a good, viable replacement for Obama, and even more people will come over to him... despite anything Obama can do to try to keep them. They've seen Obama before, and his message hasn't changed.

Basically, the election is now Romney's to lose. If he does well, he will continue to pick up supporters, and will run away with the election no matter how hard Obama tries to catch him. If he does poorly (can still happen), people might start regarding him as a flash in the pan, and not a real candidate, and might go back to the devil they know (Obama) instead of the devil they don't (Romney).

This debate will decide the election (unless Romney screws up in the *3rd* debate). And it won't matter what Obama does - he's old news, with nothing new to offer. If Romney continues to look Presidential, as he did in spades in the 1st debate, he's got it locked.
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Old 10-16-2012, 04:36 PM
 
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I wouldn't miss this debate for anything.
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Old 10-16-2012, 04:42 PM
 
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You couldnt be more wrong. If Romney holds his own then the momentum stays, if Romney does better, the momentum increases.. If Romney loses the debate by a little, the momentum stops, but since he's pretty much ahead already, that has little consequnces.. Romney would have to toally blow the debate, and I know of no one who expects that to happen.

Can the same be said of Obama? He needs to dominate the debate, without doing what Biden did, in order for his momentum to recover, and I dont see that happening.
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Old 10-16-2012, 05:47 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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You couldnt be more wrong. If Romney holds his own then the momentum stays, if Romney does better, the momentum increases.. If Romney loses the debate by a little, the momentum stops, but since he's pretty much ahead already, that has little consequnces.. Romney would have to toally blow the debate, and I know of no one who expects that to happen.
In other words, you're agreeing with me.

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Can the same be said of Obama? He needs to dominate the debate, without doing what Biden did, in order for his momentum to recover, and I dont see that happening.
Won't help. If Romney looks solid, sensible, well organized and capable of solving problems, then it won't matter what Obama "dominates". People have seen all that before from Obama, it won't be anything new, and won't change much.

As you said, only if Romney looks BAD, might Obama come out with more support.
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Old 10-16-2012, 06:56 PM
 
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It matters, if Prez Obama unzips his willy it could have an effect on voters, he can't just phone it in.

I think Romney needs to be strong through the end of this election.
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:01 PM
 
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Yankees are on. Lot of Yankee fans. Hillary is even a Yankee fan according to her. LOL
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:03 PM
 
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Yankees are on. Lot of Yankee fans. Hillary is even a Yankee fan according to her. LOL
Wonder if she takes responsibility for breaking Jeter's leg.
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Obama just made the claim that gas prices were lower when he took office because the economy was on the verge of collapse. He insinuated that gas prices are high because things are better?

He just puilled the blame card on Bush too... OMG!!!

PROOF he has no clue how an economy works.
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:35 PM
 
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Obama just made the claim that gas prices were lower when he took office because the economy was on the verge of collapse. He insinuated that gas prices are high because things are better?

He just puilled the blame card on Bush too... OMG!!!

PROOF he has no clue how an economy works.
Right, and gas was cheaper earlier as well.
This equally bad if not worse economy we have now under Obama and $5 gas shows how well off we all are...That is some logic.
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Obama just made the claim that gas prices were lower when he took office because the economy was on the verge of collapse. He insinuated that gas prices are high because things are better?

He just puilled the blame card on Bush too... OMG!!!

PROOF he has no clue how an economy works.
I sometimes think Obama IS Bush. But then, Joe Biden reminds me of Ron Burgundy.
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