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Old 10-17-2012, 09:15 AM
 
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Whatever your thoughts about communism, the fact remains that while Obama has been in office he's supported numerous efforts to bail-out private businesses and corporations. He's done nothing to advance a communist agenda. And he's done less to further a socialist agenda than most recent presidents.

And when you ask a question about the President, and then bring up random comments by liberals and others, you do realize that these other remarks have nothing to do with the President? Muddy thinking makes muddy arguments.
Bailing out private businesses is part of a Communist agenda. Within Communism, as the government is grown, the more money and control is cycled through industries. Communists have the belief that the government should be relied on for everything, including businesses and jobs, by the people. Having these private businesses rely and owe the government goes perfectly with trying to increase Communism in America. I am assuming that you are thinking that since obama invested in private corporations, it proves that he is a Capitalist. Not true because he wants the government to keep these companies running. And it is not working because he is trying to destroy a free market in America. The reason that Communist China is doing so well is because they are taking on more of the Capitalist ideals of American business. I wish obama would too.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Fiyero -
Excellent reasons to vote for President Obama. Thank you.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:16 AM
 
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No, the rich pay the most in taxes.
Romney pays less in taxes than poor people. And you ignore the fact that most rich people have enormous hoards of cash locked in places taxes can't touch them, not to mention countless loopholes to avoid paying extra taxes your average citizen has to pay.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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seahalwkgirl - Your believing a 'free market" ever existed in America is the base for your delusional system. Look att eh reality of finance in the US and not the propoganda.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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No, the rich pay the most in taxes. While there are poor who didn't chose that lifestyle and would like to move beyond it, there are those who just live off the system because they think the government owes them something.
It is not surprising that those who can afford to pay more, make a lot more, pay more. Consider these two households:
A: Makes $25K
B: Makes $25M

How much more should "A" pay so it is fair for "B"?

But more importantly, address my previous posts where I asked you to explain communism and socialism, and then I will let you apply your ideas to Obama's policies we have seen over (almost) four years.

You also made me curious, about why you claim to have voted for Obama when you think he is a communist/socialist? Is that something you "learned" later?
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:19 AM
 
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Every communist dictator has been rich.
Marx was the son of a vintner and worked as a journalist before concentrating on writing about economics and philosophy.

Lenin's parents were educators and was never rich having been politically persecuted since he was in college.

Stalin's father was a cobbler and Stalin was expelled from seminary school because he couldn't pay the tuition.

Mao's father was a grain merchant in the rural town of in Shaoshan, Hunan Province.

Ho Chi Minh's father was an educator, and Mao worked as a teacher, a dish washer, and a pastry chef.

Kim ill Sung was reported to be the son of Presbyterian missionaries.

Castro was the illegitimate son of a wealthy Cuban landowner who forced his son to live with the largely Haitian workforce.

In short not one of them was from wealth or had an opportunity to become rich much less squander their wealth since each and every one of them had been branded radicals by their respective governments while still in college.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Bailing out private businesses is part of a Communist agenda. Within Communism, as the government is grown...
As expected, you're just as clueless about what communism entails, as the rest of them.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:20 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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No, the rich pay the most in taxes. While there are poor who didn't chose that lifestyle and would like to move beyond it, there are those who just live off the system because they think the government owes them something. Check this out:


Some people's ignorance is astounding!


Bush is responsible for ‘Obama phones’

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But the truth is that no policy Obama has enacted would put an “Obama phone” in anyone’s hand. The real policy is called “Lifeline,” and it dates back to another Democratic administration (Franklin Roosevelt’s) but was expanded under Republican ones, too.

In fact, it was President George W. Bush who approved expanding the Universal Service Fund to pay for cell phone service for the poor.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:21 AM
 
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Bailing out private businesses is part of a Communist agenda.
Although it is early, that is the most ridiculous comment that I've read today.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:21 AM
 
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seahalwkgirl - Your believing a 'free market" ever existed in America is the base for your delusional system. Look att eh reality of finance in the US and not the propoganda.
I don't take advice from socialists. You are delusional if you think that system has ever worked. "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money"- Margaret Thatcher.
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