Should Drugs Be Legalized in the USA (regular, fence, rating)

[jufrbo]

Originally Posted by jgussler

So to your way of thinking, if your son/daughter is not minding, you just give up and let them do whatever they want because, "The war on making my son/daughter be a good person is lost." So just give up and let them do whatever they please.

I think we should pour more money into making it right, not glossing over the problem.

More money won't work. The only way more money would work is if the gov't hired a personal guard for everyone, to follow them around and kick their ass if someone decides to do drugs. While your personel escort is at it, they can tell you what church to go to and who to vote for. I'll sacrifice some drugs and crime to live in free state, not a police state.

It is the parent's job to raise there kids right, not the government. I didn't start smoking crack because the gov't told me not to, i didn't because my momma told not to. Parents need to stop relying on the gov't to dictate there family morals.

[AnthonyB]

Originally Posted by Nirvana-Guy

And you think crackheads will get a job if drugs are legalized? No, they will continue to kill and steal for $ to get drugs.

Unless, of course, you are suggeting a legalization/European-style welfare system so the government and the idiots who work can support the lazy drug addicts.

Whether or not drugs are legal, users will be violent loser-types. They will not have a job, they will need constant medical care, they will be a even MORE of a burden on taxpayers. That will not change because despite being legal, the effect of drugs on people won't change.

Uh...No, no and so what?

A crackhead/methhead is a drug addict whether or not it is legal. 20 odd posters have already pointed that out. Although I think you would be surprised by how many closet drug addicts are out there holding down jobs and families, heroin is notorious among the middle class. Stereotypes don't add to the debate.

The addicts aren't the big problem when it comes to crime, apart from petty theft. The big crime and violence comes from gangs and dealers because of the incredible amount of money that is in the trade. I would like to remove that.

If you believe that outpatient medical treatment would be more of a burden to taxpayers than police forces, courts, government offices and jails then I don't think you are willing to actually look at the numbers and be honest with yourself.

Parents are responsible for their kids, that is not a liberal thought, but actually a conservative/libertarian and very American one. And when those kids grow up they are responsible for themselves.
I don't think we should be legislating the eating of red meat. Or the drinking of wine. Or what people want to read. Or the music they choose to listen to on their Ipods. Why should we be legislating anything else they want to do to themselves.

Laws are supposed to protect us from other people. Not from ourselves.

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by Moth

Yep.

And with regards to Marijuana, who the hell ever said it was government's business to tell me I cannot burn a spliff in the privacy of my home? What kind of arrogance is that?

The arrogance is in the many, many, amongst the majority of citizens, Moderator cut: snip who would vote NO on any proposal giving you the legal right to do that.

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by Nirvana-Guy

And you think crackheads will get a job if drugs are legalized? No, they will continue to kill and steal for $ to get drugs.

But I never read or see in the news where a liquor store was broken into and cleaned out or the plate glass windows of a convenience store shattered and a lot of the beer swiped.

[Nirvana-Guy]

Originally Posted by AnthonyB

Laws are supposed to protect us from other people. Not from ourselves.

I agree with that. That is why I want crackheads in JAIL, not on the street. Crackheads are violent, irrational people when high. Coke heads are paranoid and meth addicts are unpredictable and often irrational. Society has a RIGHT to be protected from these people. If drugs are legal, society cannot be protected from the drug users, specially the crackheads.

Reagrdless of the legality of the drug, the addict needs to be kept away from society. These people are too dangerous to be driving, working with people, be near kids, etc. Can you imagine if drugs were legal and addicts would be able to buy guns?!?

Also, can you imagine a 15-year old using Ecstacy non-stop because they think it is safe, since it is legal? Do you think of the health consequences to the country? Is that ok with you to poison a whole generation of kids??

There are valid, rational reasons why drugs are illegals. We cannot have drug addicts doing things that non-drug users do. And if drugs become legal, the drug addicts will demand same rights. Can you imagine being treated by a dr who smokes crack or talk to a cop high on meth or have a lawyer represent you in court that uses LSD?!?! Scary stuff!!!

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by Nirvana-Guy

I agree with that. That is why I want crackheads in JAIL, not on the street. Crackheads are violent, irrational people when high. Coke heads are paranoid and meth addicts are unpredictable and often irrational. Society has a RIGHT to be protected from these people. If drugs are legal, society cannot be protected from the drug users, specially the crackheads.

Reagrdless of the legality of the drug, the addict needs to be kept away from society. These people are too dangerous to be driving, working with people, be near kids, etc. Can you imagine if drugs were legal and addicts would be able to buy guns?!?

Also, can you imagine a 15-year old using Ecstacy non-stop because they think it is safe, since it is legal? Do you think of the health consequences to the country? Is that ok with you to poison a whole generation of kids??

There are valid, rational reasons why drugs are illegals. We cannot have drug addicts doing things that non-drug users do. And if drugs become legal, the drug addicts will demand same rights. Can you imagine being treated by a dr who smokes crack or talk to a cop high on meth or have a lawyer represent you in court that uses LSD?!?! Scary stuff!!!

Then I reckon you wish to God that alcohol could once again be made ILLEGAL. After all, drunks with guns must be pretty scary and dangerous, too.

Banning alcohol would demand a lot of tax money to try to enforce it. Therefore, would you gladly pay higher taxes in return for banning alcohol?

[AnthonyB]

Originally Posted by Nirvana-Guy

I agree with that. That is why I want crackheads in JAIL, not on the street. Crackheads are violent, irrational people when high. Coke heads are paranoid and meth addicts are unpredictable and often irrational. Society has a RIGHT to be protected from these people. If drugs are legal, society cannot be protected from the drug users, specially the crackheads.

Reagrdless of the legality of the drug, the addict needs to be kept away from society. These people are too dangerous to be driving, working with people, be near kids, etc. Can you imagine if drugs were legal and addicts would be able to buy guns?!?

Also, can you imagine a 15-year old using Ecstacy non-stop because they think it is safe, since it is legal? Do you think of the health consequences to the country? Is that ok with you to poison a whole generation of kids??

There are valid, rational reasons why drugs are illegals. We cannot have drug addicts doing things that non-drug users do. And if drugs become legal, the drug addicts will demand same rights. Can you imagine being treated by a dr who smokes crack or talk to a cop high on meth or have a lawyer represent you in court that uses LSD?!?! Scary stuff!!!

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Society has a right to be protected from people who do something to them which means that if a crackhead actually hurt someone, he would be prosecuted, under the laws that deal with that crime. No need for drug laws. Someone smoking dope who never hurt others wouldn't be affected.

If drugs were legal we would know who the addicts were and could prevent them from getting guns. Now we can't, cause we don't know who they are.

Could you stop with the "suffer the poor children" routine. Your 15 year olds parents need to get their act together.

The rest of your post is ridiculous, sorry. Lots of doctors are addicts, right here right now. On methodone, Oxycontin and all the rest. They hide it, because it is illegal. They don't get help and they make mistakes. They kill people every day.REALLY SCARY STUFF.

[cynwldkat]

All any one of us has to do is take a look at the poll on page one of this thread. HELLO! Twice as many people feel drugs should be made legal and not because they would like to run out and score some or have their children get hooked on them. It's because it's a losing situation--this war on drugs! I would imagine this is a fair representation of how the people in the US feel, however small this poll is. I could be wrong. But, if it is even a close representation, why then does our government choose not hear the people??

[BigHouse9]

The war on drugs is NOT a losing situation. We were winning it back in the 80s when we had education concerning drugs and an effective campaign. Do I want my 2 kids to have easy access to drugs? No, not at all. Do you want that? I will educate them myself but all it takes is one bad apple. If we can stop one person from doing drugs, then we have won. Who cars what this poll says anyway? It only takes a little bit of common sense to see that drugs are bad and we should fight against them.

[GregW]

Again more people are getting wealth and power off the War on Drugs than would be damaged if the drugs were made legal. The profits on illegal drugs are astronomical and the power created by the corruption of the legal system creates near dictatorships in some parts of our country. Legalize, regulate, educate and tax the stuff.

Just do not use any of these things yourself. These drugs are very dangerous and can get you dead.