Caucasian club in High School (states, children, work, discrimination)

[tinasgt2005]

Originally Posted by ProLogic

Being Mexican myself, I agree with groups like La Raza and meCha are brown supremicist groups. I don't affiliate with them.

One poster on here does not believe they are.I have heard and read some of what they believe and they are full of hate. I believe any club which does not promote acceptance is damaging to this country. My son nor I intended this to be about hate but about unity. Clubs should be created for the purpose of educating all people about history and heritage. Clubs that begin with African or Chicano( I am using these as examples) do not promote unity. Scholarships that single out one nationality, culture, or religion does not promote unity. This club is for the purpose of giving kids who are not African- American or Mexican- American ( I use these examples only based on the clubs that are already established) a chance to socialize and learn their heritage whether it be German, Irish, Black, Mexican, Asian, Indian, etc. Most people will believe that it is about color but it is not. I, again, used the term Caucasian as an opening to this thread. I have corrected myself several times.

[Anchorless]

Originally Posted by tinasgt2005

One poster on here does not believe they are.I have heard and read some of what they believe and they are full of hate.

Based on that one link you've posted...?

Or based on your comment that you have no use for them?

I, on the other hand, have been a member in a few Hispanic groups (not necessarily La Raza), and there is absolutely no hate there. Real people gathering, talking, laughing and such. It's amazing, isn't it? Who wudda thunk it?

Originally Posted by tinasgt2005

I believe any club which does not promote acceptance is damaging to this country. My son nor I intended this to be about hate but about unity.

Except that, oh wait, you and your son wanted to start a "Caucasian Club" (despite your attempt to weasel away from this position in subsequent posts).

Originally Posted by tinasgt2005

Clubs should be created for the purpose of educating all people about history and heritage. Clubs that begin with African or Chicano( I am using these as examples) do not promote unity.

Bull****. You have already admitted you know nothing of these clubs, have never participated in them at all. So what gives you the expertise to issue such categorical statements about them?

Originally Posted by tinasgt2005

Scholarships that single out one nationality, culture, or religion does not promote unity.

Once again you misunderstand the purpose of these scholarships, and you clearly demonstrate you know very little of race and culture in this country. Are you against scholarships for women? I mean, because that doesn't promote unity either, ya know.

This whole line of rhetoric is so laughable to me. You want unity when your race (or sex or religion or culture) isn't the privileged one in a given context, and so long as the unifying culture is your own.

Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. I'm white, and quite frankly, I have absolutely nothing in common with you. And based on a cursory read of your thoughts, I don't much want to.

Originally Posted by tinasgt2005

This club is for the purpose of giving kids who are not African- American or Mexican- American ( I use these examples only based on the clubs that are already established) a chance to socialize and learn their heritage whether it be German, Irish, Black, Mexican, Asian, Indian, etc. Most people will believe that it is about color but it is not. I, again, used the term Caucasian as an opening to this thread. I have corrected myself several times.

So wait - previously you emphasized the importance of unity and how detrimental isolated groups into African American and Hispanic American is. Now you're asking to do the very same thing, but with cultures and ethnicities that happen to have skin color as its only basis for commonality?

Do you even realize that everywhere you turn you're contradicting yourself?


I mean, either come out and say what you're too chicken to - which is that you want your son to have a "whites only" club because all the other skin colors have their own clubs - or else quit with all the ridiculous explanations and rationalizations and just stick to your claim that an "American club" is sufficient (and one that embraces all races, skin colors, and ethnicities).

[ArizonaBear]

For the record: a stereotypical person from the Caucasus; which is near Russia, is usually dark skinned-------think Mestizo AKA 'brown' Hispanic.

[stock66]

I think it is funny that people are saying you should have a German or a Irish club then lumping Asians into one club. Really Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese etc are just are different (maybe more so!) than Europeans.
And what is an American club?
My daughter's school had Chinese, Japanese, Mexican etc. clubs. Anyone could join a club whether that was your heritage or not. There was nothing for kids of Euro ancestry though.
Just like the stores in my area sell T's with all sorts of Asian Princess, Brown Pride, African Queen logos on them.
It's not cool to be white.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Anchorless

I mean, either come out and say what you're too chicken to - which is that you want your son to have a "whites only" club because all the other skin colors have their own clubs - or else quit with all the ridiculous explanations and rationalizations and just stick to your claim that an "American club" is sufficient (and one that embraces all races, skin colors, and ethnicities).

Guess what?

I went to a church function about 3 years ago and there were three Romanians of the Hungarian minority there (I am 1/2 Hungarian as well), one was a natural blonde, another looked 'Italian' and the third person was obviously a Mestizo (dark skin, eyes, etc.)------yet, all of the individuals here in the USA would be 'Anglo', legally speaking.

So: which group(s) should the Hungarians associate with? Do you go by skin color, culture or what?

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by stock66

I think it is funny that people are saying you should have a German or a Irish club then lumping Asians into one club. Really Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese etc are just are different (maybe more so!) than Europeans.
And what is an American club?
My daughter's school had Chinese, Japanese, Mexican etc. clubs. Anyone could join a club whether that was your heritage or not. There was nothing for kids of Euro ancestry though.
Just like the stores in my area sell T's with all sorts of Asian Princess, Brown Pride, African Queen logos on them.
It's not cool to be white.

I disagree: the standard of beauty in both 'Anglo' as well as 'Hispanic' culture is white skin and blue eyes.

[Anchorless]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

Guess what?

I went to a church function about 3 years ago and there were three Romanians of the Hungarian minority there (I am 1/2 Hungarian as well), one was a natural blonde, another looked 'Italian' and the third person was obviously a Mestizo (dark skin, eyes, etc.)------yet, all of the individuals here in the USA would be 'Anglo', legally speaking.

So: which group(s) should the Hungarians associate with? Do you go by skin color, culture or what?

Quite simply, they should associate with whomever they identify with, and whatever identifier their prioritize (if not all of them, and even perhaps even those in which they have no apparent association with).

[Moth]

Clubs that begin with African or Chicano( I am using these as examples) do not promote unity. Scholarships that single out one nationality, culture, or religion does not promote unity.

Well wait. In a way you are correct, but so what? Their purpose is to celebrate that particular heritage, history and culture. So long as it welcome all and does not promote a sense of superiority, then I do not see the harm. I was in German Club in college but anyone with an interest could join.

[Anchorless]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

I disagree: the standard of beauty in both 'Anglo' as well as 'Hispanic' culture is white skin and blue eyes.

Ha ha ha. Says who?

Please see Cindy Crawford, Tyra Banks, Beyonce, Angelina Jolie, Jessica Alba, Jessica Biel, Halle Berry, Jennifer Lopez, Jennifer Esposito, Lucy Lui, Zhang Ziyi, and on and on and on and on and on?

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Anchorless

Ha ha ha. Says who?

Please see Cindy Crawford, Tyra Banks, Beyonce, Angelina Jolie, Jessica Alba, Jessica Biel, Halle Berry, Jennifer Lopez, Jennifer Esposito, Lucy Lui, Zhang Ziyi, and on and on and on and on and on?

Says a Mexican from Mexico-------he flat out told me that Hispanic culture is very White Supremacist.

An ex G/F of mine visited Spain about 25 years ago; a Spanish guy was checking her out her white skin and light hair, saw her eyes and immediately lost interest------her eyes are brown

As for 'ethnic' looking people here in the USA, etc.; especially women, their acceptance is fairly recent-----and, well earned