Caucasian club in High School

[howsitgoingdude3]

I frankly do not care what they are. If you were to walk up to a person and were Spanish speaking or Portuguese speaking you'd be called a Mexican. It is ignorant and I’m well aware of the culture distinction but in America Spanish speaking individuals are Hispanics! I do not make the rules! Try tackling my argument as opposed to something stupid like whether I call someone of Latin origin a Hispanic or not. If you want to be more culturally and historically accurate all originals people evolved and came from Africa, so in other words we are all subspecies of the original African people. Yes, standards of beauty have changed to reflect those who are currently in power. I'm sure when the Asians take over the world i'm bet people with slanted (not sure if that's pc) dark eyes and black hair will be the new standard of beauty big deal. He who conquers gets to re-write history and set the new standards for everything!

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by howsitgoingdude3

I frankly do not care what they are. If you were to walk up to a person and were Spanish speaking or Portuguese speaking you'd be called a Mexican. It is ignorant and I’m well aware of the culture distinction but in America Spanish speaking individuals are Hispanics! I do not make the rules! Try tackling my argument as opposed to something stupid like whether I call someone of Latin origin a Hispanic or not. If you want to be more culturally and historically accurate all originals people evolved and came from Africa, so in other words we are all subspecies of the original African people. Yes, standards of beauty have changed to reflect those who are currently in power. I'm sure when the Asians take over the world i'm sure people with slanted (not sure if that's pc) dark eyes and black hair will be the new standard of beauty big deal.

Guess what:

One time I referred to an American of 100% Portuguese heritage as 'Hispanic'------she damn near tore my head off!

The woman said; Bear, I am White, not Hispanic!

The bad part was I meant no disrespect towards her.

[macmeal]

Originally Posted by howsitgoingdude3

I'm perfectly fine with a club calling itself the "Black Union," “Black Student Association club”or black student knew where they were from like black Caribbean students they’d create exactly that kind of club.

As far as whites are being called racist on illegal immigration they should, because those same whites did not put up a huge fuss in the mid 90’s when all those white Russians, Irish, and other Eastern Europeans were coming over to this country illegally and creating crime just like the Hispanics are now. I think if you’re against illegal immigration it should not start when another race of people decide to flood into the country it should be that way across the board and most whites seem to be against that.

Your post contains some thoughtful points. I agree that any exclusively "white" organizations would VERY likely be attractive to those with a racist agenda. You'd have a very tough time convincing others that your motives were pure.

Your last paragraph, however, had some glaring omissions. Your comparison between the present-day immigration mess and these other, more recent, "white" arrivals (not sure I remember any huge Irish immigration in recent years, but OK, we'll let that go--I see your point)...is NOT a very fair one. These groups (whoever they may have been) did NOT demand any great accomodation from the American system---they did NOT demand any significant services in their languages---they did NOT rally in our steets demanding anything---and lastly (but VERY important) their "home" governments did not loudly demand that we improve our treatment of "their" people (Seriously, can you imagine the Russians who occupied Hungary in the 1950's angrily demanding we improve our treatment of the resulting refugees, after they'd fled to Ohio or Pennsylvania, ?)

Part of the present-day situation is a matter of ethnicity- Mexicans, with some legitimacy, can (when they WANT to) call themselves a "race". Not very accurate, but it does get a lot of sympathy from the media...as well as a lot of attention from American xenophobes.

Also there's the matter of simple geography. When you leave Hungary, or Bosnia, or Poland, and come to the US, you have really "LEFT"! You are thousands of miles from home, and it's pretty obvious you're starting a new life, in a faraway land, whether you like it or not.

When you leave Tijuana and move to Santa Ana, or move from Juarez to El Paso, you can return to Mexico any weekend you choose. This, plus the VERY questionable assertion that "the Southwestern US really SHOULD BE a part of Mexico", plus the Mexican government's regular messages in support of the rights of their "beloved" citizens "abroad" (meaning here)---(funny they weren't 'beloved' in Mexico---but suddenly became so when they left )...puts Mexican illegal immigration into an entirely different category than earlier examples.

I'll be the first to admit there's racism involved (just look around these threads if you doubt that). But there's also many other reasons that people might feel differently about today's immigration....

[howsitgoingdude3]

Originally Posted by macmeal

Your post contains some thoughtful points. I agree that any exclusively "white" organizations would VERY likely be attractive to those with a racist agenda. You'd have a very tough time convincing others that your motives were pure.

When you leave Tijuana and move to Santa Ana, or move from Juarez to El Paso, you can return to Mexico any weekend you choose. This, plus the VERY questionable assertion that "the Southwestern US really SHOULD BE a part of Mexico", plus the Mexican government's regular messages in support of the rights of their "beloved" citizens "abroad" (meaning here)---(funny they weren't 'beloved' in Mexico---but suddenly became so when they left )...puts Mexican illegal immigration into an entirely different category than earlier examples.

I'll be the first to admit there's racism involved (just look around these threads if you doubt that). But there's also many other reasons that people might feel differently about today's immigration....

Hey I’m not going to jump too much into the illegal immigration Frey, but I think you make some valid points. I'm not for illegal immigration, but I just find it a bit funny that the most vocal of our citizens are the majority of the descendants from the turn of the century 1900's immigrants that all landed on our shores illegal you know WithOutPapperS. I mean you have to sit back and laugh at that when you see them all out in arms. Just for the record I’m totally against illegal immigration, but again we have to question the reason we have it and perhaps maybe our system of allowing others into this country? I cannot stand reading some of these boards which are full of racism and bigotry and less about finding a solution to the problem.

Anyway, again i do not want to go into immigration on this board let's just stick to the bigot and her little devil seed that wants to start such a preposterous group. I mean the only valid point made in terms of starting a white club is the logic that if you have a black clue there should be a white club. Yes, I agree with the basic logic, but once you throw in the historical significance of why we have Black, Latin, Asian clubs anyone saying something along those lines is clearly perpetuating a racist agenda. It is like lower class whites that yell they should have a WET channel. Last time i checked the majority of stations we have are 1. White owned or headed by white media corporation CEO's (exception Time Warner, as BET is now owned by Viacom), 2. Portray shows that generally reflect a majority view.

What i find most disheartening about this thread is that this woman is attempting to justify racism to her son and she does not see how blatant racist she is. Why call it a "White Club" why can't you explain to your son his heritage and let him start a Dutch club or a "European Club." The fact that she would not tell him the historical significance behind why those kids feel they need to organize such clubs is a disgrace and someone should have called her parenting and teaching racism out! However, the bulk of the posters have defended her and her racist stance it is really sickening. This woman actually had a chance to do the following for her son.

1.Explain in truth the reason for the creation of such clubs for minorities
2.She had a perfect opportunity to explain to her son her family history and cultural upbringings/significance
3.She had every opportunity to effectively show him how to create a club that would celebrate his heritage and differences without offending or angering other student in the process.

She did none of the above. If she would have posted my son would like to start a “European Heritage club” I bet no one would have said anything., but she clearly has a racial agenda and it is sad she is teaching her son that. I bet he’s probably not a good student and when he does not get accepted into a top notch school he’ll be yelling it was the fault of affirmative action not the fact that he probably has sub par grades and was passed over by a number of less qualified upper class, wealthy, rich white students.

[Miker2069]

Okay, this has gotten way out of hand now (unfortunately, since the OP asked an honest question...)