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Old 10-25-2012, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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Obviously you didn't read it because it's not an article it's a senate report put together by the Committee of Environment and Public Works. Yes it is obviously hard to take serious by you because it tells reality not some green garbage from "articles" that you folks lap up. You keep on giggling and making yourself look ridiculous. It is all many do.
Report. Sorry. Semantics it is then. From the Oxford Dictionary : "2a : piece of writing included with others in a newspaper, magazine, or other publication". Is a report usually published... Mmmmmm... let me see ?!?! Yep. A Senate report is a published ARTICLE.

But thanks for the correction Darling, your grasp of the English Language is so much better than mine, that could be perhaps the advantage you might have in being a native speaker ? If a foreigner like myself we sadly can only learn so much and I myself have relied on the Oxford dictionary for years obviously to my great lamentable mistake. I stand head bowed down in front of you asking your mighty self to excuse my poor grasp of the language of Shakespeare. If only we could even dream of reaching such dizzy heights as yourself. Third Grade brains you know... You must accept that being a moron and intellectually challenged I can never compete with such greatness.


As for Germany, I don't actually agree with their building more Coal Stations, but I am wholeheartedly against Nuclear Power Stations like most Germans I know.

Most Germans I know do seem quite happy with the Green Industry there in fact. Most Germans who have embraced renewables with commendable alacrity and enthusiasm as anyone travelling though the German countryside can see.

The all hate the Big Four ( main energy companies) and are happy to be provied with an alternative. It is one of the most crucial issue for Merkel to deal with and I think how it is dealt with might change the outcome of the election. German people are much greener than most Nations but also pragmatic.

I was having dinner with two German friends in London of mine last week end in fact , he owns a multi million dollar engineering company building huge infrastructure projects all over the world and at home and as a business man he certainly does not seem to have suffered a great deal from the Green Industry in Germany.

Germany's renewable energy revolution leaves UK in the shade | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Germany is a very pragmatic country and as an economic powerhouse and Capitalist economy always aware of economic costs , but they have also been able to see that being as self reliant as possible is a good thing and have still encouraged the push for more renewables and set high targets for energy use which seem to be well on track. I think calling the German Green Industry a failure is not only ridiculous it is intellectually disingenuous. In fact it has in many ways been so successful that legislation needs to be changed to protect consumers from high energy costs ( when it was set up to encourage and boost green energy legislation was set to force energy providers to buy a certain portion from renewables at higher fixed prices - this clearly needs to change now success has been so rampant).
Another issue of course is whther Green Energy can succeed as well without subsidies ? So see I am not exactly blind to the pitfalls either.

The German government is at least trying to achieve something and though I am most certainly opposed to a lot of their policies I wish more governments would realise that being greener does not have to mean economic collapse and degradation. Germany is doing very well, but thank you for the concern. Are they doing everything right ? Bloody hell no ! But IMO they are doing damn sight better than most.

I suggest you read the following Articles/Reports :

Economic Success of Renewable Energies in Germany - Greening the Economy - Heinrich Böll Foundation

Germany Addresses Problems with Renewable Energy Subsidy System - SPIEGEL ONLINE ( which is a critical analysis and does talk about the pros and cons , success AND pitfalls)
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Old 10-25-2012, 08:10 AM
 
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Most are against nuclear because they don't even understand how they work. They just picture clouds of radiation melting skin and big mushroom clouds.

So you remain clueless like your German buddies as they throw piles of money at green ventures when their grid can't even handle it and then turn around and start plopping down more coal plants at the same time all the while paying for half the EU to sit around and do nothing. Ask your german buddies about that. I'm sure they love it.
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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Nothing says freedom like the factories dumping their waste into the water and so much pollution you can't even see down the street. Go communist China! The US should look just like them!

Funny last I heard the environmentalists were trying to convince everybody that pollution affected the entire world, maybe I am wrong though? Considering the US has pretty strict standard compared to the rest of the world and we all know we need the jobs, I would think you would want companies to stay in the US instead of moving to China and Mexico where they could care less about the environment.
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:16 AM
 
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As far as renewable energy, Americans don't like paying through their tax dollars for companies that end up going under. If a renewable energy company wants to start up in America, that's dandy. But tax payers shouldn't have to pay for it. Our government is way too corrupt to pick winners and losers for tax funding.

As for Germany, they are not immune to economic slowdown. There are plenty of articles from the EU newspapers regarding this. Just google it. Euro Crisis Grips Germany: OECD Predicts Recession in Fourth Quarter - SPIEGEL ONLINE Socialism works till there are not enough rich people left to redistribute the wealth. And then, everyone suffers.

Get ready, America, to see your electic rates "necessarily skyrocket," as President Obama stated was going to happen under his plan.

We need a decade of change-over time here in America. This country is huge compared to European nations. We need access to all types of energy, not just green, until the transition can happen gradually.

And as far as pollution goes, when I lived on the west coast in the early '90s, there was smog where there never used to be. Seattle, Portland, all up the northern coast. And it was well known at that time that the clouds of smog were coming from CHINA, through the jet stream. So, if one country like China is not participating, why should all of us in America suffer with higher regulations, resulting in skyrocketing rates.

When they get China to cooperate, it will make sense. Till then, let our utility companies do what they've been doing, with a gradual change over to privately-funded green companies, sans US Gov. manipulation and funding.

All of our Washington politicians are bought, and Americans are being scammed. Did you know we are paying for oil drilling off the coast of Brazil? Or that GE (big buddy of Obama) moved major operations to China? They don't have to worry about regs there.

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Old 10-25-2012, 10:52 AM
 
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"We need a decade of change-over time here in America. This country is huge compared to European nations. We need access to all types of energy, not just green, until the transition can happen gradually."

Completely agree although it will take more than a decade IMO. Rushing in throwing money all over the place at upstart "green" companies like has been done is a disaster and basing your economic and job creating plans on this like Obama has done is.......well.......a disaster.
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Old 10-25-2012, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Basically you aint seen nothing yet. The plans on the table will utterly destroy what is left of the US economy which is I think has been the goal of Obama and his ilk since being elected.

"President Obama has big plans to continue pushing his far left green agenda in a second term. As Politico
recently reported, Carol Browner, Obama’s former global warming czar and now chief campaign advocate just promised the radical environmental left they needn’t worry because they’ll get what they want:
I can tell you, having spent two years in the White House with the president, that this is not a fad. The
president believes deeply in these issues. At every turn he has looked at what are the tools available to
him to really help build a clean energy future for this country and has been committed throughout his
first four years in office, and there’s no doubt in my mind this will be a big part of his to-do list and he
will remain committed in the next four years.

Browner is referring to the slew of job-killing EPA regulations that the Obama-EPA has put on hold until after the election but will be on the “to-do” list for 2013. As the economy has continued to falter over the past year, team Obama has been delaying rule after rule that will eliminate American jobs, drive up the price of gas at the pump even more, impose construction bans on local communities, and essentially shut down American oil, natural gas, and coal production. They don’t want this economic pain to hit American families just before the election because it would cost President Obama votes, so they have simply decided to punt, intending to move full speed ahead if they gain a second term."

The plans for the destruction of the US are all at this link.........

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...7-b9ca21ddf148


I thank you for working to ensure I and every other American gets their daily doses of Mercury, toxic and cancer causing chemicals and lets not forget about all these other chemicals we weren't exposed to when our Founding Fatrhers wrote the US Constitution. Let's not fporget the soot, harmful pathogens and lets not forget the all those chemicals that are doing a number on GOD's creation. We have been putting up with this mindless noise out about job killing. I'll put it to you that if you get cancer a job will be the last thing you should worry about!
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Old 10-25-2012, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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"We need a decade of change-over time here in America. This country is huge compared to European nations. We need access to all types of energy, not just green, until the transition can happen gradually."

Completely agree although it will take more than a decade IMO. Rushing in throwing money all over the place at upstart "green" companies like has been done is a disaster and basing your economic and job creating plans on this like Obama has done is.......well.......a disaster.

The European Union is nearly as large as the USA and has 50% more people than the USA. So the USA is not large when compared to Europe which has learned how to work together as a team to confront its problems. They don't need a decade to confront problems like building high speed rail, or using wind or solar power, and if America was a advanced society neither should we. Look how much China hg\as accomplished in the last 20 years.
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Old 10-25-2012, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Report. Sorry. Semantics it is then. From the Oxford Dictionary : "2a : piece of writing included with others in a newspaper, magazine, or other publication". Is a report usually published... Mmmmmm... let me see ?!?! Yep. A Senate report is a published ARTICLE.

But thanks for the correction Darling, your grasp of the English Language is so much better than mine, that could be perhaps the advantage you might have in being a native speaker ? If a foreigner like myself we sadly can only learn so much and I myself have relied on the Oxford dictionary for years obviously to my great lamentable mistake. I stand head bowed down in front of you asking your mighty self to excuse my poor grasp of the language of Shakespeare. If only we could even dream of reaching such dizzy heights as yourself. Third Grade brains you know... You must accept that being a moron and intellectually challenged I can never compete with such greatness.


As for Germany, I don't actually agree with their building more Coal Stations, but I am wholeheartedly against Nuclear Power Stations like most Germans I know.

Most Germans I know do seem quite happy with the Green Industry there in fact. Most Germans who have embraced renewables with commendable alacrity and enthusiasm as anyone travelling though the German countryside can see.

The all hate the Big Four ( main energy companies) and are happy to be provied with an alternative. It is one of the most crucial issue for Merkel to deal with and I think how it is dealt with might change the outcome of the election. German people are much greener than most Nations but also pragmatic.

I was having dinner with two German friends in London of mine last week end in fact , he owns a multi million dollar engineering company building huge infrastructure projects all over the world and at home and as a business man he certainly does not seem to have suffered a great deal from the Green Industry in Germany.

Germany's renewable energy revolution leaves UK in the shade | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Germany is a very pragmatic country and as an economic powerhouse and Capitalist economy always aware of economic costs , but they have also been able to see that being as self reliant as possible is a good thing and have still encouraged the push for more renewables and set high targets for energy use which seem to be well on track. I think calling the German Green Industry a failure is not only ridiculous it is intellectually disingenuous. In fact it has in many ways been so successful that legislation needs to be changed to protect consumers from high energy costs ( when it was set up to encourage and boost green energy legislation was set to force energy providers to buy a certain portion from renewables at higher fixed prices - this clearly needs to change now success has been so rampant).
Another issue of course is whther Green Energy can succeed as well without subsidies ? So see I am not exactly blind to the pitfalls either.

The German government is at least trying to achieve something and though I am most certainly opposed to a lot of their policies I wish more governments would realise that being greener does not have to mean economic collapse and degradation. Germany is doing very well, but thank you for the concern. Are they doing everything right ? Bloody hell no ! But IMO they are doing damn sight better than most.

I suggest you read the following Articles/Reports :

Economic Success of Renewable Energies in Germany - Greening the Economy - Heinrich Böll Foundation

Germany Addresses Problems with Renewable Energy Subsidy System - SPIEGEL ONLINE ( which is a critical analysis and does talk about the pros and cons , success AND pitfalls)
You do know why renewable in Germany works nomonily well?
Because the interconnected grid in the EU has France to lean on for voltage support...You know how that horsepower is generated right?
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Old 10-25-2012, 02:15 PM
 
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I thank you for working to ensure I and every other American gets their daily doses of Mercury, toxic and cancer causing chemicals and lets not forget about all these other chemicals we weren't exposed to when our Founding Fatrhers wrote the US Constitution. Let's not fporget the soot, harmful pathogens and lets not forget the all those chemicals that are doing a number on GOD's creation. We have been putting up with this mindless noise out about job killing. I'll put it to you that if you get cancer a job will be the last thing you should worry about!
You should than your government for trying to impose their mercury laced light bulbs into every home in America. Have you thanked big bro??

Everybody has cancer. Who did the Egyptians blame it on in 1500BC?? Oh wait they just blamed it on the Gods and slapped hot iron to it. Did about as much good as half the "cures" today I'd guess. lol
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Old 10-25-2012, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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At least Obama pays lip service to the gays and is a great speaker! Who cares if he completely destroys the country and leaves everybody in chains.
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