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I am simply pointing out the difference between Germany and the US. GErmany is more conservative. They work and save. They spend money on infrastrucutre and in the US we spend the money on welfare. Can you dispute that point?
Germany is more responsible as a nation. That is not what I'm talking about, however.
There is a huge difference between universal care in Europe and the US. In Europe the people work and contribute. In the US the inner city Dems want it fo free. In Europe it is more like a group insurance plan vs the US where it is welfare.
GERMANS work!!! Inner city Dems look at work as slavery. Notice the difference.
Where do you think most conservatives came from? How about inner city Dems?
Do you think republicans will be happy to implement Europe style universal care in the US where people contribute???
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There is a huge difference between universal care in Europe and the US. In Europe the people work and contribute. In the US the inner city Dems want it fo free. In Europe it is more like a group insurance plan vs the US where it is welfare.
GERMANS work!!! Inner city Dems look at work as slavery. Notice the difference.
Where do you think most conservatives came from? How about inner city Dems?
amtrack is a waste of money, they lose money on every rider they have. if amtrak were privatized, and actually had to make money to stay in operation, you can bet that the private companies would work to keep ticket prices as low as possible while still turning a profit, and the service would be much better than it is now.
as for the interstate system, that is not a waste of money. remember that much of the products you buy are transported along the interstates, trains dont go every where you know. its cheaper to load up a few 18 wheelers with say milk from your local dairy farm and transport it s 150 or so miles, than it is to load up the trucks, haul it to the train station, transport it to another city 100 miles away, the off load it onto more trucks to haul it to the small towns where the train doesnt run.
Amtrack should not be privatize unless the road system is privatized, and we are really beyond the days to be able to successfully do either. I think you need to check what other countries are doing and have done that use rail a lot and actually have high speed rail.
Btw, I've seen rail roads tracks go a lot more places than interstate highways do. I know of a town with under 1,000 people that's along two rail lines actually, and it's 150 miles from any major city.
It was certainly a GOP led campaign of disinformation meant to manufacture public (and political) support for Bush and Cheney's oil war.
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Dem's who voted FOR the wars. Note the Senate majority leader CO-SPONSORED the Authorization bill.
How many on the list gave YOU voted for or support?
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE)Current VP
Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA) Clinton (D-NY)Current Sec of state (Labeled Smartest women in the world by many lefties) Daschle (D-SD)Leader of the Senate at the time and co-sponsored the bill Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND) Edwards (D-NC) Ran for VP
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Johnson (D-SD) Kerry (D-MA) Ran for Pres.
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA) Lieberman (D-CT)Ran for Pres.
Lincoln (D-AR)
Miller (D-GA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV) Current leader of the Senate
Rockefeller (D-WV) Schumer (D-NY)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Now your bias is showing. Please list all the Republicans who voted for the war.
Then lets compare lists and see which one is MUCH longer.
Thus, Amtrak runs huge losses, but shutting it down won't save much cash outflow, because it furnishes the right-of-way for several commuter-hauling authorities. It is also subject to considerable political tampering by both parties. The late conservative Democratic Senators Mike Mansfield(MT) and Frank Moss(UT) both used political influence to sustain Amtrak Long Distance in their home states, as did Republican Trent Lott(MS). Amtrak's coach repair facility is in Indianapolis, a city it doesn't serve, save for one late-night run to ferry the "bad-ordered" equipment to and from Chicago. (In case anyone's wondering, BTW, that sagacious decision was made way back in 1970, and passenger-car repair facilities are few in number.)
personally i dont want amtrak shut down. i believe in passenger rail, i just dont want the government running the company.
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The much-vaunted High Speed Rail System ballyhooed at the Inauguration four years ago is mostly pie-in-the-sky. For several reasons (drawbridges and outdated electrical catenary being the most difficult), major improvement in speeds between New York and Washington is unlikely. The California project will grow -- slowly -- but the biggest bottleneck; the mountain passes north of Los Angeles, is a long way from resolution.
And did anybody really believe that the proposed El-Paso-Albuquerque-Denver-Billings (Good Grief! - Metro population of Billings is less than 110,000!) was anything but a sop to politics.
i agree that high speed rail in this country is a pipe dream. we would have to build separate track for high speed trains, and thus be forced to maintain about double the track miles that we do now.
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Bush ignored the warnings. Then had US forces invade the wrong country for WMD's, none of which were found, and never went after bin laden either.
Thank you DUBYA! You have a loyal following.
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Bush ignored NO warnings! That is a bald faced lie!
I know what you are referring too, and that PDB memo that was delivered to him at his ranch was old information that had also been given to Bill Clinton. Bush had asked for whatever information we had on al-Qaeda. Condoleezza Rice testified to this at hearings that were held on the 9/11 attacks.
This memo contained no "warning" of an impending attack, as some of you people continue to believe. That is a leftist, Bush haters lie.
well said nononsenseguy.
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LOL. Like that stopped the Republicans from being obstructionists. Having control of both houses doesn't guarantee you can do what you want....
true, but then if the democrats had stood together at the time, they could have passed anything they wanted and the republicans could have done nothing to stop them.
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Amtrack should not be privatize unless the road system is privatized, and we are really beyond the days to be able to successfully do either. I think you need to check what other countries are doing and have done that use rail a lot and actually have high speed rail.
yes i know what other countries have done with high speed rail, and it could be helpful in this country, IF we had the money to do it. as for amtrak, that company should be privatized, the rail system on which it runs should not be. the government has no business trying to run a business as they suck at it. remember the mustang ranch? the IRS took it over due to the owners not paying their taxes. now you would think that a business that sells sex and booze should be a money maker, and yet the IRS LOST MONEY running a bordello. if you cant make money selling sex and booze, you are doing something seriously wrong.
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Btw, I've seen rail roads tracks go a lot more places than interstate highways do. I know of a town with under 1,000 people that's along two rail lines actually, and it's 150 miles from any major city.
ok, does that town have a rail station? rail yards? how many trains stop there on a regular basis?
Btw, I've seen rail roads tracks go a lot more places than interstate highways do. I know of a town with under 1,000 people that's along two rail lines actually, and it's 150 miles from any major city.
Check on your state DOT website for a state railroad map, most every state has it online. You might very well discover the US is full of active or semi-active railroad lines. They are just not utilized for passenger rail service, and some would need tons of money poured in them to have any kind of passenger train run on them over 15 mph, if even that. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands of small towns in the US that have more than one rail line run through them.
Amtrak mostly uses tracks of private freight rail companies for running their trains, with a few exceptions.
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Yep, it was the GOP's fault.
