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I am pro-life, and pro-choice, and, have held these beliefs long before I even had the opportunity to register to vote.
Abortion and women's rights have never been threatened in this extreme way, since the first time I was eligible to vote for a president over a decade ago. Cue, my interest in this discussion. Further, when deciding my vote, I take a look at which candidate's overall views align most with what I believe and agree with; I don't focus on one specific topic, such as abortion, to dictate all. For others in this forum, not sure I can say the same.
In terms of the article; not sure what's not to care about it. He's calling out a hypocrisy, which, very few have decided to thoroughly touch upon in this thread. Instead, just endless posts about conception and viability, almost ironically supporting what the author was originally calling out as a major contradiction in terms of the sanctity of life--regardless of where one 'believes' it all begins, for sure, it doesn't end at birth.
That author thinks pro-life means supporting a ban on sugary drinks, supporting the EPA, banning smoking in public parks, and agreeing with him on a host of other policy issues.
A narcissistic, egotistical article.
Nobody should call themself pro-choice unless they advocate choice until birth. And choice to use heroin, and own assault weapons, and use seat belts, etc.
Most conservatives are not prolife, as they lack concern for what happens AFTER birth... or at least if they are concerned, they think, "hey, not MY problem!"
That is because they've been brainwashed for a voting bloc.
A fetus can feel pain as soon as 18 to 20 months of a woman's pregnancy? How many years does it take the woman to actually carry the pregnancy to full term and give birth?
Whose to say that just because someone is Pro-life they also oppose stricter gun control and are for the death penalty?? The irony in Pro-choice crying hypocrisy, is that people will NEVER have a choice in every matter...otherwise what would we need laws for? Drugs are illegal...do people still do them--YES. People die everyday from drugs, does that mean we should just legalize them? We have laws to create order and to protect people. People can make choices, but if their choices affect the welfare of another person then it's an issue.
Thus is the issue with abortion, a lot of people have different opinions on when a fetus should be considered a "person". This is why I am personally pro-life because it is my belief that even though as a woman I am the host, the fetus is it's own person. It has nothing to do with trying to "control peoples sex lives" or "punish" people for having sex like some other pro-choice posts claim. BUT that is my personal belief and I am not ignorant enough to believe that everyone shares in MY BELIEF...which is why I can understand abortion being legal for people that believe differently.
Someone on another thread stated that, "Abortion is not killing a baby because it is a glob of cells similar to that of which you wash away when you wash your hands." I can respect other peoples beliefs, but this is not a belief; it is someone trying to state a fact that medically and scientifically is 100% wrong unless maybe you are talking about taking the morning after pill or the very very early stages of pregnancy which is not when ALL abortions occur. Some women have abortions up to 21 weeks...I urge someone who might think that a fetus is just a blob of cells to actually research the development of a fetus week by week and make an educated decision as to when they believe it is a human.
Whose to say that just because someone is Pro-life they also oppose stricter gun control and are for the death penalty?? The irony in Pro-choice crying hypocrisy, is that people will NEVER have a choice in every matter...otherwise what would we need laws for? Drugs are illegal...do people still do them--YES. People die everyday from drugs, does that mean we should just legalize them? We have laws to create order and to protect people. People can make choices, but if their choices affect the welfare of another person then it's an issue.
Thus is the issue with abortion, a lot of people have different opinions on when a fetus should be considered a "person". This is why I am personally pro-life because it is my belief that even though as a woman I am the host, the fetus is it's own person. It has nothing to do with trying to "control peoples sex lives" or "punish" people for having sex like some other pro-choice posts claim. BUT that is my personal belief and I am not ignorant enough to believe that everyone shares in MY BELIEF...which is why I can understand abortion being legal for people that believe differently.
Someone on another thread stated that, "Abortion is not killing a baby because it is a glob of cells similar to that of which you wash away when you wash your hands." I can respect other peoples beliefs, but this is not a belief; it is someone trying to state a fact that medically and scientifically is 100% wrong unless maybe you are talking about taking the morning after pill or the very very early stages of pregnancy which is not when ALL abortions occur. Some women have abortions up to 21 weeks...I urge someone who might think that a fetus is just a blob of cells to actually research the development of a fetus week by week and make an educated decision as to when they believe it is a human.
So because we don't have choices in all things, we should have choices in nothing? Do you really want to go down that road? Or does it make more sense to take each issue by itself and examine it?
I know what a fetus is and I am quite educated on the development of a human from zygote to baby. I am still pro-choice.
Whose to say that just because someone is Pro-life they also oppose stricter gun control and are for the death penalty?? The irony in Pro-choice crying hypocrisy, is that people will NEVER have a choice in every matter...otherwise what would we need laws for? Drugs are illegal...do people still do them--YES. People die everyday from drugs, does that mean we should just legalize them? We have laws to create order and to protect people. People can make choices, but if their choices affect the welfare of another person then it's an issue.
Thus is the issue with abortion, a lot of people have different opinions on when a fetus should be considered a "person". This is why I am personally pro-life because it is my belief that even though as a woman I am the host, the fetus is it's own person. It has nothing to do with trying to "control peoples sex lives" or "punish" people for having sex like some other pro-choice posts claim. BUT that is my personal belief and I am not ignorant enough to believe that everyone shares in MY BELIEF...which is why I can understand abortion being legal for people that believe differently.
Someone on another thread stated that, "Abortion is not killing a baby because it is a glob of cells similar to that of which you wash away when you wash your hands." I can respect other peoples beliefs, but this is not a belief; it is someone trying to state a fact that medically and scientifically is 100% wrong unless maybe you are talking about taking the morning after pill or the very very early stages of pregnancy which is not when ALL abortions occur. Some women have abortions up to 21 weeks...I urge someone who might think that a fetus is just a blob of cells to actually research the development of a fetus week by week and make an educated decision as to when they believe it is a human.
Without a full rehash of this thread, the author was pointing out a often observed contradiction with the pro-life crowd. A myopic, extreme focus on abortion and the sanctity of life, yet, a disregard or reversal on other matters post-birth (i.e., warfare, death penalty, gun control) that go against the pro-life foundation and framework. Further, using this site as an example, there are just as many abortion "pro-life" threads within this forum as there are threads about the dependent, lazy, entitled underclass--the irony is that they are often posted by the same bunch.
Of course, not everyone falls within this category, like yourself. But, the author does bring up quite a good point about the label and true meaning of being 'pro-life'.
Ehh, no such thing as a person who is pro-life or pro-choice. It always depends. That being said, those in favor of laws that would prohibit abortion cannot claim to be pro-life even when it comes to the human fetus. They are actually, in effect, pushing for something the evidence suggests might even drive abortion rates up.
Now, there are certain "barriers to abortion" I believe in. All that comes to mind at the moment is mandatory ultrasounds (Yep!), and I'll save you all the trouble and freely admit that it's all about trying to sway the woman on a decision she's already made. But why not? If she's truly sure about her decision, she should already know what the fetus is/isn't (what it does/doesn't look and sound like) and the ultrasound won't make a difference. It would only make a difference to those who aren't sure about what they're doing (i.e., those who shouldn't be having an abortion just yet), and don't bother telling me these women don't exist. However, no law or required procedure should postpone the abortion for more than a day. "Sleep on it", you know? If she still wants the abortion, give her an express lane with no further questions or obstacles. After all, the more waiting she does, the more the embryo/fetus develops. So again, "pro-lifers" going too far to be "pro-life" are really not pro-life at all, IMO.
Ehh, no such thing as a person who is pro-life or pro-choice. It always depends. That being said, those in favor of laws that would prohibit abortion cannot claim to be pro-life even when it comes to the human fetus. They are actually, in effect, pushing for something the evidence suggests might even drive abortion rates up.
Now, there are certain "barriers to abortion" I believe in. All that comes to mind at the moment is mandatory ultrasounds (Yep!), and I'll save you all the trouble and freely admit that it's all about trying to sway the woman on a decision she's already made. But why not? If she's truly sure about her decision, she should already know what the fetus is/isn't (what it does/doesn't look and sound like) and the ultrasound won't make a difference. It would only make a difference to those who aren't sure about what they're doing (i.e., those who shouldn't be having an abortion just yet), and don't bother telling me these women don't exist. However, no law or required procedure should postpone the abortion for more than a day. "Sleep on it", you know? If she still wants the abortion, give her an express lane with no further questions or obstacles. After all, the more waiting she does, the more the embryo/fetus develops. So again, "pro-lifers" going too far to be "pro-life" are really not pro-life at all, IMO.
Who should pay for the ultrasound?
If the ultrasound is only being done as a means of coercion and not medical necessity....shouldn't pro-lifers and their organizations pay for them?
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