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Old 10-28-2012, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I guess I didn't really understand where you ended your post. Who is it you think is going to adopt this child?

Yes, I do think many pro-lifers have a great dilemma in demanding that every child be born. Many of them have posted that they do not think taxpayer dollars should be spent caring for this infant; yet they are the very ones that would be screaming had these parents made the choice to abort.

One pro-lifer suggested euthanasia. So much for the sanctity of life.
You can actually take a route where you carry the child to full term but not take extraordinary procedures to extend its life. You can actually let nature (or God) decide. A concept liberals do not understand.
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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You can actually take a route where you carry the child to full term but not take extraordinary procedures to extend its life. You can actually let nature (or God) decide. A concept liberals do not understand.
Oh, for crying out loud! Several other liberals and I have said that very thing.
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Oh, for crying out loud! Several other liberals and I have said that very thing.
Katiana, let me apologize. There are rational liberals like yourself.

The fact is we do not give heart transplants to 90 year olds nor should this baby be given similar extraordinary care.
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Apology accepted.

I think this baby falls into a real "gray area" which has no good solution. I agree with no extraordinary care.
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:48 PM
 
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FWIW...I think personally, when a child or adult does not have the cognition and reflexes to swallow food, the most basic function for life, no heroic measures should be taken. I am against tube feeding to sustain life.

This baby would not survive without medical intervention to do tube feeding, directly into the stomach thru a surgically implanted "button". I have seen many children in vegetated states maintained this way...for years. Many of them in medical foster care as their parents can't afford the maintenance.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:00 PM
 
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So many people believe nature should take its course.

Many of you are seniors.

By that logic,no BP meds for you guys. No insulin either.
Let nature take its course.

See how that works?
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:32 PM
 
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I do not really believe in an super-artificial means to keep anyone alive who does not have a chance of a decent recovery and quality of life.

My dad had a massive bleeding stroke at 79. He was in very poor health BEFORE the stroke......man, what would he have been like if he recovered??? Yet the hospital did the best to keep him alive through modern machinery/medicine.....he had a living will and this is NOT what he wanted. They finally pulled the plug after a conference with family members and the doctors.
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:10 AM
 
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I thought that is what we were going to have with the new Obama healthcare law ? Hasn't he set up a panel to decide who gets care and who doesn't ? It's in the news, it's in the law.
Not quite. In fact, not remotely close at all.
Under the health insurance plan, the plan would pay for a meeting with the doctor to discuss end-of-life issues, advance directives, when to continue or stop treatment, palliative care, etc. The big change is simply that such meetings would be billable (and also recommended- amazing how few docs or families seem able to bring this up).

I personally wouldn't take advice from Sarah Palin on how to scoopy dog poop from my yard, but if you want to listen to her about health care decisions, I guess it's (still) a free country.
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:14 AM
 
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A co-worker of mine was told at 5 months pregnant that a whole hunk of the baby's brain was just plain missing. They offered an abortion and suggested a range of possibilities if the baby was born. She says that her husband left it up to her and being Catholic, she didn't want an abortion and thought, "Let's give her a chance."
Baby is born, is now 12 (although many kids with this syndrome die after a year or so). She has the mental function of a newborn, is flaccid with CP, blind, and has frequent seizures and resp. failures. She has cost the state millions of dollars to dress her every day, strap her up to some chair or device, use her feeding tube, and wash her. Co-worker says if she knew now... I think she pictured a baby forever, not a semi-vegetative teenager. She insists on life-saving treatment with each crisis (at least, so far).
I think of what those many many millions could do for so many other kids.
Another co-worker works through an agency with kids on vents and tubes at home. They will never get better. She agrees that the routine use of NICUs has resulted in terribly damaged kids who will not gain meaningful recovery.
I believe in triage.
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Old 10-29-2012, 02:41 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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So many people believe nature should take its course.

Many of you are seniors.

By that logic,no BP meds for you guys. No insulin either.
Let nature take its course.

See how that works?
Exaggerate much?

A person taking medication, and otherwise leading a normal life, is a far cry from the condidtion this child is in.

BTW.....if I found myself in a condidtion similar to that baby's, with no hope of improvement, I would want to be euthanized.

I fear being kept alive like that more than I fear death.....and I suspect most people agree with me.

If it was legal, I would draw up a document outlining under which circumstances I would want to be euthanized.....it would give me immense peace of mind.
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