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View Poll Results: Are you keen on the idea of the United States becoming a second republic?
Absolutely 7 13.73%
Yes 3 5.88%
Maybe 11 21.57%
No 10 19.61%
Heck No 31 60.78%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 51. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-31-2012, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Okay, tell us how you can have limited government with a 315 million population. Just because you say it can happen doesn't make it true.

Waitingly....

DoJ

Very easy, we do what the framers of the constitution had in mind in the first place, put the power of the government back in the hands of the people and the states. The federal government doesn't have the power to create large government, this is forbidden in the Constitution, so all these departments that the federal government has created in the last 100 years are illegal and unconstitutional.
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Very easy, we do what the framers of the constitution had in mind in the first place, put the power of the government back in the hands of the people and the states. The federal government doesn't have the power to create large government, this is forbidden in the Constitution, so all these departments that the federal government has created in the last 100 years are illegal and unconstitutional.
Who says it is forbidden or illegal?

We ought to make it just like 1808 again - it's that simple, and easy too!

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Old 10-31-2012, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Metairie, La.
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Very easy, we do what the framers of the constitution had in mind in the first place, put the power of the government back in the hands of the people and the states. The federal government doesn't have the power to create large government, this is forbidden in the Constitution, so all these departments that the federal government has created in the last 100 years are illegal and unconstitutional.
Ah...this is one interpretation of the Constitution.

You lump all the founders together on this when the reality of the matter was that they disagreed about how large the federal government should be. Federalists wanted a strong, centralized and formidable government. Other founders did not (the basis of the first American party system that seems to haunt us today).
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Damn this is a productive thread for the Politics forum.
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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But defense IS big government!
Defense is assigned to the federal government by the Constitution.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Defense is assigned to the federal government by the Constitution.
Unfortunately right-wingers construe "defense" the way left-wingers construe "education"; as a never ending money pit.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Government isn't making anybody buy products from private companies, so just by saying that your statement contradicts itself.
Buy health insurance or get fined
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:28 AM
 
Location: North America
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The Constitution is just fine and dandy, thank you very much. There is a reason that amendments are so hard to ratify.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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The Constitution grew out of the Declaration of Independence and through the arguments presented in the Federalist Papers, most notable was the sovereign people, meaning it is Man over government and not government over man. That the Sovereign Majority create a government as a tool to serve its assigned and limited purpose and as such no government could never soundly be said to possess sovereign power, that is, unlimited, or total, power over all things and all persons. Political sovereignty is possessed by the people alone and even they are limited by the "God given unalienable rights of every Individual."

To quote from "The American Ideal of 1776" It was the firm conviction of those who founded America--notably the leaders of the period 1776-1787 and their fellow Americans in general--that to forget, neglect , or defy this great American principle is to betray the American heritage of Individual Liberty--Man's Freedom from Government-over-Man--and to contribute in practice to its erosion, or subversion. Sins of omission in this connection are as heinous as sons of commission. Any public servants who ignore this truth are guilty of desecration of the spirit of traditional America and the higher the offender's rank, the worse the offense morally. Any Individual who condones such an offense against this heritage is similarly blameworthy.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Metairie, La.
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The Constitution grew out of the Declaration of Independence and through the arguments presented in the Federalist Papers, most notable was the sovereign people, meaning it is Man over government and not government over man. That the Sovereign Majority create a government as a tool to serve its assigned and limited purpose and as such no government could never soundly be said to possess sovereign power, that is, unlimited, or total, power over all things and all persons. Political sovereignty is possessed by the people alone and even they are limited by the "God given unalienable rights of every Individual."

To quote from "The American Ideal of 1776" It was the firm conviction of those who founded America--notably the leaders of the period 1776-1787 and their fellow Americans in general--that to forget, neglect , or defy this great American principle is to betray the American heritage of Individual Liberty--Man's Freedom from Government-over-Man--and to contribute in practice to its erosion, or subversion. Sins of omission in this connection are as heinous as sons of commission. Any public servants who ignore this truth are guilty of desecration of the spirit of traditional America and the higher the offender's rank, the worse the offense morally. Any Individual who condones such an offense against this heritage is similarly blameworthy.
The Constitution grew out of certain Americans displeasure with the Articles of Confederation. The Declaration of Independence, for the most part, was merely to announce to various European powers that 13 of the many British American colonies (Canada and the British West Indies refused to join with the mainland American colonies) in the "new world" declared their break with the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
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