How I Lost Faith in the "Pro-Life" Movement

[MobileVisitor09]

Originally Posted by Mylläri

You're confusing education with actions, one can teach abstinence and one can practice abstinence. Once can practice abstinence but when one has sexual relations they are not practicing abstinence. You cannot claim to be practicing abstience if you're having sex no more than a vegan can claim to be a vegan while eating a pork chop. This should be simple and easy to understand.

No confusion. We are back to the theory vs. practice debate.

According to the principles of your religious background:

-- Educate youth on the importance of abstinence. Eliminate contraceptives.
-- They become adults, and, are supposed to practice abstinence. Wait until marriage.

In reality, some do.

But, importantly, some, (despite being taught to practice abstinence, and, even when required by religious faith to practice abstinence), do not--a series of folks falter. At an alarmingly high rate.

As mentioned in another thread, states who provide youth with abstinence-only education end up with the highest rates of teenage pregnancy. When looking at women who have abortions by religious background, over 70% are of Catholic or Protestant religious faith. Clergy, required to abstain from sex, have demonstrated time and time again, their inability to do so.

Indeed, simple and easy to understand--abstinence is only effective when practiced. It's not always practiced. Therefore you can be proactive about this reality--or, you can continue to dream, avoid reality, and, in turn, spin wheels.

[luckynumber4]

Originally Posted by Mylläri

You seem to be under the impression that pregnancy is undue burden, that is unless you specifically desire it at a given time.

This is the only accurate statement that you have said throughout this whole thread.

[Annie53]

Originally Posted by Mylläri

Same with contraception, the distinction is that contraception intends to defeat the life-giving purpose of sex while NFP seeks to limit it while engaging in sexual intercourse naturally. NFP does not attempt to close life out but rather promotes the responsible acceptance that no matter what you do so long as you engage in sexual intercourse, a likely result is pregnancy.

Originally Posted by Mylläri

You seem to be missing all the times I've referred to the intent to concieve and the fact that when I refer to contraception and homosexual relations that the people engaging in such do not have the intent to concieve. In the case of homosexual they cannot and in the case of contraception they do not want to. What is the point in doing something if you cannot achieve or do not want the results of what the action is intended to serve?

Take the male member, it serves two purposes: urination and ejaculation with the intent of procreation. To use it with an intent outside of those purposes is disordered.

NFP most certainly does try to attemp to "close life out". If it didn't.....what is the point of practicing NFP in the first place?

Practicing NFP is deliberatley subverting the "intent to conceive". When you practice NFP, you are doing so with the express purpose of avoiding the "intent" of intercourse.....which in your belief....is to procreate.

No matter what kind of mental gymnastics you perform......you can't change that FACT.

Can't you see that?

Furthermore, there is nothing natural about NFP. Natural is when animals have no desire to fornicate because pregnancy is physically impossible. Counting days, tracking temperature and examining mucus IS NOT natural......by any stretch of the imagination.

Take the male member, it serves two purposes: urination and ejaculation with the intent of procreation. To use it with an intent outside of those purposes is disordered.

I guess it's safe to assume that you also don't believe in males fondling the female breast, since the express purpose of the female breast is to nourish offspring. If I am wrong in my assumtion.....please explain.