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Old 10-31-2012, 03:05 PM
 
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So what?
Go easy on him, it's the only slogan he's got.

 
Old 10-31-2012, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Funkytown
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Abortion stops a beating heart.


So does eating chicken.

So does plugging the plug on someone who is brain dead in a hospital bed.

Not sure what your trying to say here. Could you elaborate?
 
Old 10-31-2012, 03:20 PM
 
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They are studies that prove BC increased abortions. Young people are too dependent and naive and sometimes miss a pill or use it the wrong way. Then oops are bound to happen. Heck, even mature married people can have an oops when they get too reliant on a drug/pill.

If you can't afford to have a baby then do have what causes pregnancies.
 
Old 10-31-2012, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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If a society is going to ban abortion it should be across-the-board pro life. NO wars (including wars on the poor, the elderly, and the young), no death penalty for crime, no euthanizing of people or animals for any reason. We don't have the guts to do that, so we should not have the right to pick and choose our pro life platforms.
 
Old 10-31-2012, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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Agreed. Being "pro choice" IMHO goes 2 ways. Places like China women are under lots of pressure by the government to abort a 2nd child even if SHE don't wont to abort; I've got a real problem with that too.
As the name would imply people who are pro-Choice want people to have a choice. Duh.

Obviously the Communist government in China is not giving people a choice here so they're not pro-choice are they?

BTW I have never met a "pro-life" person who is actually pro-life. Sure, these people are anti-abortion but without fail they're also pro-death penalty, love wars and support politicians who want to start needless wars, they're usually in favor of letting people die due to lack of health insurance, and generally are some of the worst immoral hypocrites I have ever met.
 
Old 10-31-2012, 03:27 PM
 
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Great article, although I assume that most people here won't read it.

I'll just ask a couple of questions to those who call themselves "pro-lie":

1. How many times have you been to a funeral for a miscarried fetus?
2. If you believe that a fetus or embryo is a fully formed human being with all the rights of any other human being, how much money have you donated to research that would prevent miscarriages?
These discussions usually focus on the extreme ends of the discussion, and both are equally absurd.

I'd say 90% of us do draw a mental line in the sand, so to speak, for when we think that embryo is actually a human baby, and killing it for reasons of selfish convenience is repulsive and immoral to us. Even if that line is not until the eighth month, we still would not be in favor of killing it, without some extremely rare, extraordinary, life threatening reason.
 
Old 10-31-2012, 03:29 PM
 
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As the name would imply people who are pro-Choice want people to have a choice. Duh.
Does the term "people" to you, ever apply to the baby in the womb? Just asking.
 
Old 10-31-2012, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD / NY
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They are studies that prove BC increased abortions. Young people are too dependent and naive and sometimes miss a pill or use it the wrong way. Then oops are bound to happen. Heck, even mature married people can have an oops when they get too reliant on a drug/pill.

If you can't afford to have a baby then do have what causes pregnancies.
A study cannot prove anything. Only support.

Link me to a peer-reviewed journal article with that claim.

Contraceptives and abstinence are flawed because there are scenarios in which both end up not working and then result in a pregnancy. However, you're only addressing one half of this piece.

You didn't respond to this, was hoping for some clarity--are you insinuating that you would like to see contraceptives out of the picture as well? If so, how will this prevent pregnancies and abortion? Please elaborate.
 
Old 10-31-2012, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Free country means freedom to make your own decisions.

Thats about what it boils down to. Those that are "pro life" consider a fetus a baby. Thats their right, and its why few of them change their position.

But the issue is just far to muddy for that black and white view. Not all fetuses develop. Most fertilized eggs don't reach the womb wall and fail to ever change from a bundle of cells that ends up on a tampon or in a toilet.

So the best you can hope for is control of your own life. Control is an illusion, and its hard enough controlling yourself, let alone an entire country. No one wants abortion used as birth control of healthy fetuses, but to try and restrict it just gets way to complicated.
 
Old 10-31-2012, 03:52 PM
 
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A study cannot prove anything. Only support.

Link me to a peer-reviewed journal article with that claim.

Contraceptives and abstinence are flawed because there are scenarios in which both end up not working and then result in a pregnancy. However, you're only addressing one half of this piece.

You didn't respond to this, was hoping for some clarity--are you insinuating that you would like to see contraceptives out of the picture as well? If so, how will this prevent pregnancies and abortion? Please elaborate.
I like contraception---the natural ones. Less harmful all around. Natural Family Planning can give you all the details. Some people can't abstain and have no self control, for those, no help is out there.
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