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Old 10-31-2012, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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HOBOKEN, N.J. (AP) — Officials in the city of Hoboken, N.J., are defending their response to severe flooding from superstorm Sandy.

Public Safety director Jon Tooke says at least 25 percent of the city on the Hudson River across from Manhattan remains under water. He estimates at least 20,000 people are stranded and says most are being encouraged to shelter in place until floodwaters recede.

Tempers flared Wednesday morning outside City Hall as some residents complained the city was slow to get food and other supplies out to the stranded.

Tooke says emergency personnel have been working 24/7. He says the "scope of this situation is enormous."
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After many days of warnings to evacuate and have basic survival supplies on hand to get by for several days...it sounds like there are still people that ignored the warnings. Sounds more like Katrina all the time in terms of people's reactions.

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Old 10-31-2012, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Yes, this is a difficult situation. Seems like the news, and the President, and all the authorities were very clear of the risks involved, yet somehow we have to save their arses when they ignored all the advice given. Typical.
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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People don't think it will happen to them..... And then they don't understand why they're up sh*t creek when the wheels come off.

I don't neccessarily agree with her, but my fundamentalist mother stated that this type of issue has been a problem since the time when people laughed at Noah while he labored building his ark.
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:21 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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too many people still rely on uncle sugar to take care of them if something happens. I wonder if those sheep will ever get it?
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:37 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD / NY
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After many days of warnings to evacuate and have basic survival supplies on hand to get by for several days...it sounds like there are still people that ignored the warnings. Sounds more like Katrina all the time in terms of people's reactions.
To be fair, Hoboken leadership, in comparison to Mayor Bloomberg, or Governor Christie, didn't do all that it could have prior to the storm. The mayor of Hoboken required a mandatory evacuation of residents living in basement and first floor units rather than just a blanket evacuation of all residents living in areas historically prone to flooding. From what I read, they also primarily relied on a volunteer group to go door-to-door to warn residents to leave, whereas Bloomberg involved the NYPD.

I don't understand the rationale behind a basement/first floor unit evacuation--that left the opening for many to be stranded on higher floors (with supplies or not) if the flood waters reached a certain height they anticipated--which, it did, and then some.
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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To be fair, Hoboken leadership, in comparison to Mayor Bloomberg, or Governor Christie, didn't do all that it could have prior to the storm. The mayor of Hoboken required a mandatory evacuation of residents living in basement and first floor units rather than just a blanket evacuation of all residents living in areas historically prone to flooding. From what I read, they also primarily relied on a volunteer group to go door-to-door to warn residents to leave, whereas Bloomberg involved the NYPD.

I don't understand the rationale behind a basement/first floor unit evacuation--that left the opening for many to be stranded on higher floors (with supplies or not) if the flood waters reached a certain height they anticipated--which, it did, and then some.
I haven't found really good information...have most of the floodwaters drained from streets in the city yet? Are things passable? I hope it's not like NOLA where the whole city is below sea level and stays flooded for weeks.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:18 AM
 
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To be fair, Hoboken leadership, in comparison to Mayor Bloomberg, or Governor Christie, didn't do all that it could have prior to the storm. The mayor of Hoboken required a mandatory evacuation of residents living in basement and first floor units rather than just a blanket evacuation of all residents living in areas historically prone to flooding. From what I read, they also primarily relied on a volunteer group to go door-to-door to warn residents to leave, whereas Bloomberg involved the NYPD.

I don't understand the rationale behind a basement/first floor unit evacuation--that left the opening for many to be stranded on higher floors (with supplies or not) if the flood waters reached a certain height they anticipated--which, it did, and then some.
If an area is historically prone to flooding, why do they need to be forcefully told to move?
You can't seriously believe that these people didn't hear on the radio, TV, internet or from friends that there was a major storm coming.

How would people remaining in the basement or first floor assist/support those living above?
I don't understand the logic here.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:22 AM
 
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Where's FEMA?????
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD / NY
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I haven't found really good information...have most of the floodwaters drained from streets in the city yet? Are things passable? I hope it's not like NOLA where the whole city is below sea level and stays flooded for weeks.
I'm frustratingly not in NY at the moment, only have family scattered throughout the LI/NYC/NJ area who have been providing me personal accounts of issues at the neighborhood level. Along with the NYTimes/Washington Post coverage... From photos I've seen, parts of NJ and specific areas on the South Shore of LI are reminiscent of NOLA.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:37 AM
 
Location: The land of infinite variety!
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People don't think it will happen to them..... And then they don't understand why they're up sh*t creek when the wheels come off.

I don't neccessarily agree with her, but my fundamentalist mother stated that this type of issue has been a problem since the time when people laughed at Noah while he labored building his ark.
Not to take away from the disaster and the suffering of many, but that is pretty darn funny. JMO
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