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View Poll Results: What is your opinion on the dissolution of the United States?
I lean conservative, and I actually find the idea interesting. 35 22.88%
I lean conservative, and I am 100% against the idea. Period. 36 23.53%
I lean liberal, and I find the idea kind of interesting. 30 19.61%
I lean liberal, and I am 100% against the idea. Period. 52 33.99%
Voters: 153. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-05-2012, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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It's so closed minded and bigotted of liberals to continually promote the notion that everybody who lives in a red state is a foaming at the mouth retarded redneck. Such is the way of liberals though. They are only tolerant of people who think exactly like they do.
True. The red / blue designation is quite useless and misleading. It ignores the fact that at least 15 states are both blue and red if you look at the last 4 presidential elections.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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well if you partition the US based on your poll the Conservative states especially in the South would become 3rd. world nations overnight.
The economic powerhouses in the US are mostly based in liberal cities and states despite their regulations and taxes. There is a reason Amazon or Apple or Microsoft aren't based in Mississippi or Alabama.
Per Bureau of Economic Analysis, the GDP of the Southeast is ~3.3 Trillion. Per BLS data, the total population of its Southeast region is 75 million. Do the math and it comes out to $44,005 in per capita GDP. Hardly third world, but don't let facts from federal government sources get in the way
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:42 PM
 
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And there is a reason why Dell, Delta airlines, American airlines, Southwest Airlines and many other "economic powerhouses" are not based in NJ, CT or NY.
You've got to be tripping...

Fortune 500 2012: States: New York Companies - FORTUNE on CNNMoney.com

Fortune 500 2012: States: New Jersey Companies - FORTUNE on CNNMoney.com

Fortune 500 2012: States: Connecticut Companies - FORTUNE on CNNMoney.com
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:44 PM
 
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Per Bureau of Economic Analysis, the GDP of the Southeast is ~3.3 Trillion. Per BLS data, the total population of its Southeast region is 75 million. Do the math and it comes out to $44,005 in per capita GDP. Hardly third world, but don't let facts from federal government sources get in the way
Try GDP per capita and see how you come out.

List of U.S. states by GDP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Try GDP per capita and see how you come out.

List of U.S. states by GDP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I already tried it. Read my post again and see where I figured out GDP per capita. It's roughly $44,000 of per capita GDP for the South. Again, hardly third world.
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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There was actually a plan during Pres Busch to inlclude more nations into the USA- ""In 2005, claims emerged from critics of North American integration that a "North American Union" was not only being planned, but was being implemented by the governments of Canada, Mexico, and the United States.
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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You've got to be tripping...
None of your links disprove or even address my post.
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Try GDP per capita and see how you come out.

List of U.S. states by GDP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Your own link disproves your statement. The LOWEST state is Miss. at about $33k GDP per capita. NO third world country is even close to Mississippi. And Miss is HIGHER than the EU as a whole, and higher than Spain, Israel, Greece, Portugal, Poland, South Korea, and Italy among many others.

"Third world country"... not even close.
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:50 PM
 
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No wonder liberals are against the idea, they need conservatives to support them.
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Old 11-05-2012, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Here I am four years later posting the same maps that I posted 4 years ago showing the utter ridiculousness of this who non-sensical argument.
Who says it must along Red/Blue divisions?

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The break-up of the nation into smaller nations probably will never grow popular.
Um, it is growing popular. And it will gain in popularity over time.

Argumentatively...

Mircea

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Per Bureau of Economic Analysis, the GDP of the Southeast is ~3.3 Trillion. Per BLS data, the total population of its Southeast region is 75 million. Do the math and it comes out to $44,005 in per capita GDP. Hardly third world, but don't let facts from federal government sources get in the way
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Except that all if all the red states joined together your economy would be so pathetic that you'd be set back about 100 years.
Wow, it'll take me a whole 2 seconds to prove both of you wrong.

$50,000 in Los Angeles equals $35,000 anywhere in Mississippi. In other words, if you made $50,000 in Mississippi, that would be equal to $65,000 in Los Angeles.

It's called the Cost-of-Living.

The price difference in apartment rental between Los Angeles and Mississippi is $1,175 per month. In other words, people in Los Angeles are throwing away $1,175/month on rent while people in Mississippi are living it up.

You cannot view things as they are....you have to view them as they will/would be.

The first thing that happens is people in Mississippi stop paying 10%-35% of their incomes in taxes to the national government masquerading as a federal government. Sure, Mississippi would have to pay for its own Food Stamp program (assuming the residents of Mississippi want it), but that isn't 10%-35% of the federal income taxes.

Capital Gains Taxes, those stay in Mississippi as to federal Estate Taxes.

The federal excise tax on gasoline, tires and other items....that stays in Mississippi, and Mississippi can eliminated or reduce those taxes.

Federal imposts.....tariffs, taxes and duties on imports/exports now go to Mississippi instead of the national government masquerading as a federal government.

FICA/SECA Payroll Tax and the HI Tax now stay in Mississippi, instead of going to the national government masquerading as a federal government.

I dare say Mississippi has no need for 6 carrier battle groups and 2 marine amphibious assault groups, so they won't be spending a lot on defense, or shrimp on treadmills or ant farms or any other stupid stuff.

If Mississippi was smart, it would nationalize its oil and natural gas assets, then bid them out. Let's say Mississippi gets 50% of the oil profits and which ever oil companies get 50%, what a great deal for Mississippi.

Before you all get ignorant, you might want to actually look into the matter.

Economically....

Mircea
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