New documentary - abortion in USA... (rating, Illinois, work, news)

[katzenfreund]

Nice spin....

still waiting on comments about the fake pregnancy crisis centers. I guess it is ok then to deceive women???

I would venture guess that a large percentage here would be ok with that.

[mbmouse]

Originally Posted by katzenfreund

I think it is wrong to lure women that want information about ALL their options to a fake crisis pregnancy center and bully, harrass and itimidate them.

Beware of Antiabortion Crisis Pregnancy Centers
from the website....
Beware of Anti-abortion Crisis Pregnancy Centers

In small and large towns throughout the United States (and all over the Internet), anti-abortion groups have set up "crisis pregnancy centers" or "pregnancy counseling centers" or "pregnancy help centers." They are often located near high schools. These centers follow a format suggested by the Pearson Foundation that is deliberately designed to misinform and mislead young women.

Going by the names, Crisis Pregnancy Center, Pregnancy Aid, Birth Right, Open Door, or Pregnancy Counseling Center, these groups want to be the first contact a woman makes when she thinks she might be pregnant, so they can talk her out of considering abortion.

Anti-abortion pregnancy centers are listed in the yellow pages under "abortion alternatives." They do NOT provide abortion. Many offer free pregnancy tests or pregnancy counseling as a means to lure you in. On the Internet they also use deceptive names like prochoice.com, and pregnancycenters.org.

Nearly all of these centers are operated by churches or religious organizations. They refer to themselves as a "ministry" to save women's souls.

Most anti-abortion centers will not give out information by phone, they insist you come into their office. Women have reported waiting up to an hour for the results of a pregnancy test and being forced to watch anti-abortion videos while they wait surrounded by anti-abortion propaganda. Some women have then been denied the results of their pregnancy test when they say they want an abortion or that they need the test result to apply for medical assistance.

Women describe being harassed, intimidated, and given blatantly false information, or being forced to pray with the crisis pregnancy center's staff. They complain that their confidential information was used against them. In some cases, they were followed home, and mail and phone calls intruded into their homes.

I see your point and I am not claiming those places are right for doing things such as withholding test results. On the other hand, I also do not agree with abortion clinics ASSUMING that because a woman walks into a clinic that she is informed with all of her options knowledge of the procedure and the development phases of a fetus. I am suggesting that if the government jumped in and made the decision to make this more readily available to any woman, that they should make ALL clinics, Dr's office, counseling centers etc., including the above you mentioned as well as the ones I have and all the others that have anything to do with womens health,and pregnancy show the FACTS about all options and the ramifications of each. Such as the stages of a fetus, the process of abortion and the process of full term pregnancy. The process of having and keeping a child and adoption. I also do believe that there should be a mandate that unless it is dire, medical situation, that no abortion clinic can do repeat abortions for the same woman.
All in all, what is wrong with assuring TOTAL education before a decision is made? I am sorry but when this country makes it easier and require less education, information and disclosures to receive an abortion than it does to buy a house or car, we have a HUGE problem and it has nothing to do with "choice".

[citigirl]

Originally Posted by katzenfreund

exactly...that is how I see it.

I would like to see any other business that list their "other" services/products on the top. We have a website for our business and like all others we list our main product/service on the top, giving it main billing.

[katzenfreund]

This is from the PP website...

Choosing Abortion

The chances are high that a woman will have more than one unplanned pregnancy in the course of her lifetime. More than one-third of all U.S. women will have an abortion by the time they are 45 years old. About six million women in the U.S. become pregnant every year. Half of those pregnancies are unintended. Nearly 1.3 million women choose abortion to end their pregnancy each year.
The most common reasons a woman chooses abortion are

She is not ready to become a parent.
She cannot afford a baby.
She doesn't want to be a single parent.
She doesn't want anyone to know she has had sex or is pregnant.
She is too young or too immature to have a child.
She has all the children she wants.
Her husband, partner, or parent wants her to have an abortion.
She or the fetus has a health problem.
She was a survivor of rape or incest.

Deciding If Abortion Is Right For You

Most women look to their husbands, partners, families, health care providers, clergy, or someone else they trust for support as they make their decision about an unintended pregnancy. And many women go to the clinic with their partner. But you don't have to tell anybody. Specially trained educators at women's health clinics can talk with you in private. You may bring someone with you. You will discuss your options — adoption, parenting, and abortion. You may be asked if someone is pressuring you to have an abortion.

[katzenfreund]

Originally Posted by citigirl

I would like to see any other business that list their "other" services/products on the top. We have a website for our business and like all others we list our main product/service on the top, giving it main billing.

Why shouldn't they list all the options in their menu? It is a LEGAL choice. They also list parenting, having a healthy pregnancy, birth control, std's etc. etc.

[mbmouse]

Originally Posted by katzenfreund

Nice spin....

still waiting on comments about the fake pregnancy crisis centers. I guess it is ok then to deceive women???

I would venture guess that a large percentage here would be ok with that.

No it is not ok to decieve women by EITHER these folks or places like PP and other clinics who's main money source is derived from performing abortions.

Originally Posted by katzenfreund

This is from the PP website...

Choosing Abortion

The chances are high that a woman will have more than one unplanned pregnancy in the course of her lifetime. More than one-third of all U.S. women will have an abortion by the time they are 45 years old. About six million women in the U.S. become pregnant every year. Half of those pregnancies are unintended. Nearly 1.3 million women choose abortion to end their pregnancy each year.
The most common reasons a woman chooses abortion are

She is not ready to become a parent.
She cannot afford a baby.
She doesn't want to be a single parent.
She doesn't want anyone to know she has had sex or is pregnant.
She is too young or too immature to have a child.
She has all the children she wants.
Her husband, partner, or parent wants her to have an abortion.
She or the fetus has a health problem.
She was a survivor of rape or incest.

Deciding If Abortion Is Right For You

Most women look to their husbands, partners, families, health care providers, clergy, or someone else they trust for support as they make their decision about an unintended pregnancy. And many women go to the clinic with their partner. But you don't have to tell anybody. Specially trained educators at women's health clinics can talk with you in private. You may bring someone with you. You will discuss your options — adoption, parenting, and abortion. You may be asked if someone is pressuring you to have an abortion.

Funny thing about those stats, those numbers can be found no where else except for PP. And if it was true, that 1/3 of ALL women will have abortions by the time they are 45, boy in about 50 years we won't have a population boom, it will be more like a wasteland. Or if it does happen to be true, it just confirms the belief that women are now using abortion as a form of birth control. Sorry, but I do not believe those stats and I would like to know where those figures come from. To me it reads more like "Look how many women do it everyday, it is so safe and just a normal thing". I also see nothing on any of the abortion pages that show anything about the stages of a fetus, just what procedure can be done at what stages.

[katzenfreund]

Originally Posted by mbmouse

No it is not ok to decieve women by EITHER these folks or places like PP and other clinics who's main money source is derived from performing abortions.




Funny thing about those stats, those numbers can be found no where else except for PP. And if it was true, that 1/3 of ALL women will have abortions by the time they are 45, boy in about 50 years we won't have a population boom, it will be more like a wasteland. Or if it does happen to be true, it just confirms the belief that women are now using abortion as a form of birth control. Sorry, but I do not believe those stats and I would like to know where those figures come from. To me it reads more like "Look how many women do it everyday, it is so safe and just a normal thing". I also see nothing on any of the abortion pages that show anything about the stages of a fetus, just what procedure can be done at what stages.

Well, I found several other places on the web in just a couple of seconds that have the same numbers... from the Guttmacher institute for example...
INCIDENCE OF ABORTION

Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States

Nearly half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion.[1] Twenty-four percent of all pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion.[2]
About half of American women have experienced an unintended pregnancy, and at current rates more than one-third will have had an abortion by age 45.[5]



and another one from an ANTI-CHOICE site...

Abortion Statistics



The following is a list of useful abortion statistics as well as some facts on abortifacients. All abortion numbers are derived from pro-abortion sources courtesy of The Alan Guttmacher Institute and Planned Parenthood's Family Planning Perspectives.
WORLDWIDE

Number of abortions per year: Approximately 46 Million
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 126,000

Where abortions occur:
78% of all abortions are obtained in developing countries and 22% occur in developed countries.

Legality of abortion:
About 26 million women obtain legal abortions each year, while an additional 20 million abortions are obtained in countries where it is restricted or prohibited by law.

Abortion averages:
Worldwide, the lifetime average is about 1 abortion per woman.

© Copyright 1999-2000, The Alan Guttmacher Institute. (Guttmacher Institute: Home Page)

UNITED STATES

Number of abortions per year: 1.37 Million (1996)
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700

Who's having abortions (age)?
52% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25: Women aged 20-24 obtain 32% of all abortions; Teenagers obtain 20% and girls under 15 account for 1.2%.

Who's having abortions (race)?
While white women obtain 60% of all abortions, their abortion rate is well below that of minority women. Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely.

Who's having abortions (marital status)?
64.4% of all abortions are performed on never-married women; Married women account for 18.4% of all abortions and divorced women obtain 9.4%.

Who's having abortions (religion)?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".

Who's having abortions (income)?
Women with family incomes less than $15,000 obtain 28.7% of all abortions; Women with family incomes between $15,000 and $29,999 obtain 19.5%; Women with family incomes between $30,000 and $59,999 obtain 38.0%; Women with family incomes over $60,000 obtain 13.8%.

Why women have abortions
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).

At what gestational ages are abortions performed:
52% of all abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy, 25% happen between the 9th & 10th week, 12% happen between the 11th and 12th week, 6% happen between the 13th & 15th week, 4% happen between the 16th & 20th week, and 1% of all abortions (16,450/yr.) happen after the 20th week of pregnancy.

Likelihood of abortion:
An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old.

[baby_firefly]

Originally Posted by citigirl

Those bad bad people trying to preserve life. Actually providing truth and real facts. What is a little pregnant girl to do?

i'll tell you what that little poor pregnant girl should have done in the first place-closed her legs if she couldnt deal with the consequences of what comes after you have to be a real dummy if you dont think pregnancy wont happen to you

[DontH8Me]

Originally Posted by mbmouse

I see your point and I am not claiming those places are right for doing things such as withholding test results. On the other hand, I also do not agree with abortion clinics ASSUMING that because a woman walks into a clinic that she is informed with all of her options knowledge of the procedure and the development phases of a fetus. I am suggesting that if the government jumped in and made the decision to make this more readily available to any woman, that they should make ALL clinics, Dr's office, counseling centers etc., including the above you mentioned as well as the ones I have and all the others that have anything to do with womens health,and pregnancy show the FACTS about all options and the ramifications of each. Such as the stages of a fetus, the process of abortion and the process of full term pregnancy. The process of having and keeping a child and adoption. I also do believe that there should be a mandate that unless it is dire, medical situation, that no abortion clinic can do repeat abortions for the same woman.
All in all, what is wrong with assuring TOTAL education before a decision is made? I am sorry but when this country makes it easier and require less education, information and disclosures to receive an abortion than it does to buy a house or car, we have a HUGE problem and it has nothing to do with "choice".

With that thinking, should we then ask our legislators to enact a law that anyone who wants to have hip replacement surgery then they MUST watch an actual hip replacement surgery from start to finish before having one themselves, so as to ensure that TOTAL education? Should a woman who is faced with having her breasts removed be forced to watch a recording of the procedure to make sure she knows what's REALLY happening while she's out? Should someone who is having a cebaceous cyst removed, first be forced to review the contents of someone else's cyst before they elect to have their own procedure done?

To me it seems ridiculous and redundant - if someone is going to have a surgery, then they have already received quite a bit of preparing from the medical staff and through their own personal research. Because you think it is necessary for a woman who chooses to abort to watch an abortion take place beforehand makes no sense. Your argument holds no water.

[baby_firefly]

Originally Posted by DontH8Me

With that thinking, should we then ask our legislators to enact a law that anyone who wants to have hip replacement surgery then they MUST watch an actual hip replacement surgery from start to finish before having one themselves, so as to ensure that TOTAL education? Should a woman who is faced with having her breasts removed be forced to watch a recording of the procedure to make sure she knows what's REALLY happening while she's out? Should someone who is having a cebaceous cyst removed, first be forced to review the contents of someone else's cyst before they elect to have their own procedure done?

To me it seems ridiculous and redundant - if someone is going to have a surgery, then they have already received quite a bit of preparing from the medical staff and through their own personal research. Because you think it is necessary for a woman who chooses to abort to watch an abortion take place beforehand makes no sense. Your argument holds no water.

i actually think he has a good idea there but it probably wouldnt work anyway ppl still become druggies later on even though schools have where a cop comes in and talks about drugs being bad for you