New documentary - abortion in USA... (deport, nationality, status, murder)

[mbmouse]

Originally Posted by katzenfreund

Well, I found several other places on the web in just a couple of seconds that have the same numbers... from the Guttmacher institute for example...
INCIDENCE OF ABORTION

Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States

Intersting, but the guttmacher institute IS planed parenthood so I still stand that they are exaturating the numbers to make is seem ok to do.
Here is an iteresting stat site on abortions I found that shows the difference on how PP reports stats.

Number of Abortions Performed in the United States as reported by
AGI - Alan Guttmacher Institute (Planned Parenthood)
CDC - Centers for Disease Control

(AGI) (CDC)
1973 744,600 615,831
1974 898,600 763,476
1975 1,034,200 854,853
1976 1,179,300 988,267
1977 1,316,700 1,079,430
1978 1,409,600 1,157,776
1979 1,497,700 1,251,921
1980 1,553,900 1,297,606
1981 1,577,300 1,300,760
1982 1,573,900 1,303,980
1983 1,575,000 1,268,987
1984 1,577,200 1,333,521
1985 1,588,600 1,328,570
1986 1,574,000 1,328,112
1987 1,559,100 1,353,671
1988 1,590,800 1,371,285
1989 1,566,900 1,396,658
1990 1,608,600 1,429,577
1991 1,556,500 1,388,937
1992 1,528,900 1.359,145
1993 1,500,000 1,330,414
1994 1,431,000 1,267,415
1995 1,363,690 1,210,883
1996 1,365,730 1,221,585
1997 1,365,730 1,186,039
1998 1,365,730 884,273*
1999 1,365,730 861,789*
2000 1,312,990 857,475**
2001 1,303,000& 853,485**
2002 1,293,000&
2003 1,293,000&&
2004 1,293,000&&

&AGI estimate
&&NRLC base figure
*excludes NH, CA, AK, OK
**excludes NH, CA, AK

40+ MILLION ABORTIONS SINCE 1973
4,000 each day


Source:
AGI - Alan Guttmacher Institute (Planned Parenthood)
CDC - Centers for Disease Control
NRLC - National Right To Life Committee
CIRTL - Central Illinois Right To Life

[movingtolou]

Originally Posted by ontheroad

Somehow it looks alphabetical.

...that is funny!

[katzenfreund]

Originally Posted by mbmouse

Intersting, but the guttmacher institute IS planed parenthood so I still stand that they are exaturating the numbers to make is seem ok to do.
Here is an iteresting stat site on abortions I found that shows the difference on how PP reports stats.

Number of Abortions Performed in the United States as reported by
AGI - Alan Guttmacher Institute (Planned Parenthood)
CDC - Centers for Disease Control

(AGI) (CDC)
1973 744,600 615,831
1974 898,600 763,476
1975 1,034,200 854,853
1976 1,179,300 988,267
1977 1,316,700 1,079,430
1978 1,409,600 1,157,776
1979 1,497,700 1,251,921
1980 1,553,900 1,297,606
1981 1,577,300 1,300,760
1982 1,573,900 1,303,980
1983 1,575,000 1,268,987
1984 1,577,200 1,333,521
1985 1,588,600 1,328,570
1986 1,574,000 1,328,112
1987 1,559,100 1,353,671
1988 1,590,800 1,371,285
1989 1,566,900 1,396,658
1990 1,608,600 1,429,577
1991 1,556,500 1,388,937
1992 1,528,900 1.359,145
1993 1,500,000 1,330,414
1994 1,431,000 1,267,415
1995 1,363,690 1,210,883
1996 1,365,730 1,221,585
1997 1,365,730 1,186,039
1998 1,365,730 884,273*
1999 1,365,730 861,789*
2000 1,312,990 857,475**
2001 1,303,000& 853,485**
2002 1,293,000&
2003 1,293,000&&
2004 1,293,000&&

&AGI estimate
&&NRLC base figure
*excludes NH, CA, AK, OK
**excludes NH, CA, AK

40+ MILLION ABORTIONS SINCE 1973
4,000 each day


Source:
AGI - Alan Guttmacher Institute (Planned Parenthood)
CDC - Centers for Disease Control
NRLC - National Right To Life Committee
CIRTL - Central Illinois Right To Life

I don't see a big difference in those numbers. The ones since 98 all have the little star, which means that several large states data was not included, such as CA!

[mbmouse]

Originally Posted by DontH8Me

With that thinking, should we then ask our legislators to enact a law that anyone who wants to have hip replacement surgery then they MUST watch an actual hip replacement surgery from start to finish before having one themselves, so as to ensure that TOTAL education? Should a woman who is faced with having her breasts removed be forced to watch a recording of the procedure to make sure she knows what's REALLY happening while she's out? Should someone who is having a cebaceous cyst removed, first be forced to review the contents of someone else's cyst before they elect to have their own procedure done?

To me it seems ridiculous and redundant - if someone is going to have a surgery, then they have already received quite a bit of preparing from the medical staff and through their own personal research. Because you think it is necessary for a woman who chooses to abort to watch an abortion take place beforehand makes no sense. Your argument holds no water.

Actually most Dr's DO show videos of the procedure before it is done for many different surgeries. My mother had to watch a video showing exactly what was going to be done before her back surgery that was not elective, but necessary and she had to sign 3 different forms that said she fully understood the procedure. Heck yea, If I was having surgery I would want to know exactly what they were going to do to me! Sure it holds water, just not in a bucket you like.

[mbmouse]

Originally Posted by katzenfreund

I don't see a big difference in those numbers. The ones since 98 all have the little star, which means that several large states data was not included, such as CA!

One hundred and seventy nine thousand, six hundred and ninety one is not a large number to you? That is the difference in stats from 97 when all states were included.

[NewToCA]

The abortion pill, RU486, might be a way around some of this discussion:

RU486Facts.org - Medical Information about RU-486 (Mifepristone)

[movingtolou]

Originally Posted by mbmouse

You are correct and I apologize. It just really upsets me when people who have no children, know no one personally that has been faced with the abortion decision calls a life nothing more than a choice. It is kinda like going to the polls without knowing who is running and just pushing buttons for the fun of it. You are right though, I should not get so upset about it, thanks for the check, I appreciate you.

Uhhh, hello....I think I mentioned I have 2 little darlings. I now, more than ever (as I have 2 daughters), support a woman's right to choose. But I agree with the other poster, if you don't believe in abortion...have 4, 5, 10 kids...I'm happy for you. I would NEVER walk up to a pregnant woman and say 'hmmm, have you considered abortion?'....

Women are smart. If you can't trust them to make a decision...why on earth would you trust them with a child?

[mbmouse]

Originally Posted by NewToCA

The abortion pill, RU486, might be a way around some of this discussion:

RU486Facts.org - Medical Information about RU-486 (Mifepristone)

Unfortunately, this only works in the first 72 hours and usually still requires an invasive abortion procedure if after the 72 hours.

[katzenfreund]

Originally Posted by mbmouse

One hundred and seventy nine thousand, six hundred and ninety one is not a large number to you? That is the difference in stats from 97 when all states were included.

Nope, I do not think 179.691 is a LARGE number, considering the total is well over 1.180.000 in both. And that was the year with the biggest "discrepancy".

[mbmouse]

Originally Posted by movingtolou

Uhhh, hello....I think I mentioned I have 2 little darlings. I now, more than ever (as I have 2 daughters), support a woman's right to choose. But I agree with the other poster, if you don't believe in abortion...have 4, 5, 10 kids...I'm happy for you. I would NEVER walk up to a pregnant woman and say 'hmmm, have you considered abortion?'....

Women are smart. If you can't trust them to make a decision...why on earth would you trust them with a child?

I wasn't speaking of you, I apologize again if you thought that. Unfortunately, that is one of the first things womens health care clinics do ask a woman that has just found out they are pregnant. And I agree with you, I would never walk up to a pregnant woman and ask "have you thought about adoption". I am not saying take a way a right to choose (unless it is to choose to use abortion as a form of birth control, that I am firmly against) but I am advocating INSURING complete education.
Trusting all women with children??? Ok, that is a whole different thread topic, and if you look at the news and stats, you are right, many women should not be allowed to have and keep children, but that doesn't mean I don't want the child to have life.