New documentary - abortion in USA... (racist, leader, federal, claims)

[madicarus2000]

Originally Posted by citigirl

I cannot speak for the anti-choice crowd because I am part of the anti-abortion crowd. I cannot imagine how an anchor baby (an innocent) could be a life threatening issue to kill it.

You also don’t like the illegal immigrants from your other posts, so in this case, you can get rid of the anchor baby that may be keeping the family here and using our resources. So they get deported and you don’t have to pay tax money that goes to fund their schooling or healthcare, ka ching! ka ching!

Anti-choice is the same as anti-abortion. You don’t want the choice to be made available. When you remove the option you remove choice.

[madicarus2000]

Originally Posted by mbmouse

A baby is a baby, a life is a life, nationality has no bearing on this conversation. And if I am not mistaken, if they gave up said "anchor baby" they would no longer eligible to stay.

Well you did bring up illegal immigrants into the topic of the conversation. So I wondered, if those who oppose abortion and dont want illegal immigrants, what happens when those two ideas collide in the situation of an illegal immigrant getting an abortion. You would think there would be an internal debate, the dont want abortions yet they dont want the illegal immigrant and the baby.

[mbmouse]

Originally Posted by katzenfreund

darn right I am against the war in Iraq. But that is a whole different issue. The 179.000 were not human beings, they were POTENTIAL human beings. Big difference. I do not equate an 8 week old fetus with a child.

Then it seems like you need to watch the documentary.

SECOND MONTH:

Heart and blood vessels form
Head area develops rapidly
Eyes begin to form detail
Internal organs grow, especially the digestive system
Sex organs develop rapidly and sex is distinguished
Arms and legs form and grow
Heart begins to beat faintly
Embryo is 1 inch long and weighs 1/10 ounce

Stages of Prenatal Development

[mbmouse]

Originally Posted by ontheroad

This is a troubling remark. I know there have been accusations that Guttmacher is associated with Planned Parenthood, but not that they are one and the same organisation.

Guttmacher has provided many health-related studies, often on adolescent health care and in no instance did I see any reference to Planned Parenthood (in my professional life as an adolescent health care advocate).

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I do not know but here is what I have found from Wapikia and when I look up stats about abortion, the two names have coincided with each other on several sites.

"The Institute is named after an Ob/Gyn and former president of Planned Parenthood, Dr. Alan Guttmacher."

[ontheroad]

Yes, saganista, stated above that at one time the two were intertwined. I was frankly totally ignorant of that fact, and thank you for this clarification.

Originally Posted by mbmouse

I do not know but here is what I have found from Wapikia and when I look up stats about abortion, the two names have coincided with each other on several sites.

"The Institute is named after an Ob/Gyn and former president of Planned Parenthood, Dr. Alan Guttmacher."

[katzenfreund]

Originally Posted by mbmouse

Then it seems like you need to watch the documentary.

SECOND MONTH:

Heart and blood vessels form
Head area develops rapidly
Eyes begin to form detail
Internal organs grow, especially the digestive system
Sex organs develop rapidly and sex is distinguished
Arms and legs form and grow
Heart begins to beat faintly
Embryo is 1 inch long and weighs 1/10 ounce

Stages of Prenatal Development

I guess you just can't understand or believe that a fetus is not the same as a human being to ME. To me it is just that, a potential human being. Just like a fertilized egg is a potential chicken, but it is still an egg and NOT a chicken YET. I am very well informed, thank you very much, I just don't see it as you do. I wouldn't support late term abortions, except in life or death situations, but within the first few weeks, I have no problem with it.

[citigirl]

Originally Posted by saganista

Abortions are not a money-making proposition.

The 2005-2006 fiscal year was Planned Parenthood’s most successful since the organization’s beginnings, despite a decrease in private donations and other sources of income.

A primary reason for the group’s banner year was government grants. Totaling over $305 million USD, the grants are causing anti-abortion groups to take notice. Members of these organizations feel their tax dollars are being wrongfully spent on procedures and programs they adamantly oppose.

Planned Parenthood Federation of America reported an annual profit of $55.8 million for 2005-2006, with a record 264,943 abortions performed—9,000 more than the previous year.



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[katzenfreund]

Well, its been fun.. but that's it for me. Got plans this evening.
No one is going to be swayed by anything here .... some people think life begins at conception, other think it begins when a fetus is viable... or ??? (insert whatever you'd like). It's the same old, without any solutions.
I never once did get a real alternative on how to deal with millions of unwanted babies EVERY year. Guess there is no answer.

[mbmouse]

In reference to those wanting to adopt and on waiting lists, verse the number of abortions per year in the US, I went on a numbers finding mission, here is what I found.

This is a snip from a Dateline NBC report done in 2003 about a couple who found out during the pregnancy the child had Downs Syndrome. They were debating on abortion or adoption and asked their Dr if anyone would adopt a DS baby? The answer was yes and other adoption info given. Here is the snip:
"While the number of people waiting to adopt an infant of any description is unknown, Atwood thinks there may be as many as 2 million couples who would be willing to take a newborn into their home--if one were available. Keep that number in mind as you ponder the many abortions in America--1.31 million in 2000, the most recent year for which the Alan Guttmacher Institute has collected statistics."

I could not find any other numbers but came across many lawyer sites, adoption sites and others that make statements like " people can be on the waiting list for more than a year", "there are couples waiting for any child under the age of one."

[mbmouse]

Originally Posted by ontheroad

Yes, saganista, stated above that at one time the two were intertwined. I was frankly totally ignorant of that fact, and thank you for this clarification.

Yea, sorry, I didn't see that response before I answered you