New documentary - abortion in USA... (problems, poverty, spend, schools)

[saganista]

Originally Posted by mbmouse

Then it seems like you need to watch the documentary.
SECOND MONTH:

You all act like this stuff is new information. Where have you been? Intra-uterine photographs of fetal development have been available in 8x10 color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was for FORTY years and more. Do you think that nobody noticed?

[Noahma]

Originally Posted by mbmouse

Actually yes, my OB/GYN DID have to give me info about abortion, as well as Amnio info and the option to have the test done then abort the child if there was anything negative in the results. She knew I was against it and would not get the amnio but she said it was REQUIRED to give it to me.

same thing happened here, they origonaly thought our daughter was going to be ectopic (sp?), they were required to give us information regarding the pregnancy's termination. So now who is forcing beliefs on who?

[Noahma]

Originally Posted by katzenfreund

yeah right, LOL
that is totally untrue. They just give you all the options, one of which is abortion.

you also have the choice to go get snipped. Why dont you do that as an alternative to ripping a developing baby out?

[Noahma]

Originally Posted by ontheroad

Planned Parenthood was not started as an "abortion clinic" but as a place for women to receive good, sound health care options and health care options on human reproduction in particular.

They have become synonymous with abortion, but many use the clinic as an inexpensive way to receive OB, and GYN services.

bit different than you posted.

Planned Parenthood began as the National Birth Control League, which was founded in 1916 under the leadership of Mary Ware Dennett. The organization was later renamed the American Birth Control League under the direction of Margaret Sanger. The League was influential in liberalizing laws against birth control throughout the 1920s and 1930s before changing its name to Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc. in 1942.

The founding of Planned Parenthood is most specifically associated with Margaret Sanger, a birth control and family planning advocate jailed numerous times for breaking New York's Comstock Laws against disseminating birth control information. Sanger had fled to England to avoid arrest at the time the National Birth Control League was founded by her friend Dennett. She was a socialist and an advocate of the availability of birth control to all women, regardless of race or social class. Sanger also supported eugenics,[3] a controversial view held by a significant number of intellectuals at the time.[4]

[ontheroad]

However, birth control...was and is not an abortion.

I am very familiar with Sanger, and her thinking and I don't think this information changes my assertion that Planned Parenthood was not intended as an abortion service.

Originally Posted by Noahma

bit different than you posted.

Planned Parenthood began as the National Birth Control League, which was founded in 1916 under the leadership of Mary Ware Dennett. The organization was later renamed the American Birth Control League under the direction of Margaret Sanger. The League was influential in liberalizing laws against birth control throughout the 1920s and 1930s before changing its name to Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc. in 1942.

The founding of Planned Parenthood is most specifically associated with Margaret Sanger, a birth control and family planning advocate jailed numerous times for breaking New York's Comstock Laws against disseminating birth control information. Sanger had fled to England to avoid arrest at the time the National Birth Control League was founded by her friend Dennett. She was a socialist and an advocate of the availability of birth control to all women, regardless of race or social class. Sanger also supported eugenics,[3] a controversial view held by a significant number of intellectuals at the time.[4]

[saganista]

Originally Posted by citigirl

The 2005-2006 fiscal year was Planned Parenthood’s most successful since the organization’s beginnings, despite a decrease in private donations and other sources of income.

Yup. Huge decrease in private donations. $216 million to $212 million. Party's over. Time to put the xerox machines on e-bay.

Originally Posted by citigirl

A primary reason for the group’s banner year was government grants. Totaling over $305 million USD, the grants are causing anti-abortion groups to take notice. Members of these organizations feel their tax dollars are being wrongfully spent on procedures and programs they adamantly oppose.

Then they adamantly oppose family planning, which isn't such a surprising thing to hear. PPFA's federal funding comes almost entirely from Title X and to a lesser extent from Medicaid. Title X funds contraception and other family planning services for low income women. PPFA clinics receive Title X funds because the state health departments (who administer Title X) choose to contract with them to provide such services. You can't just go pick them up over at Wal-Mart. Title X funds zero abortions.

Medicaid funds pregnancy care and contraceptive services for those who are otherwise eligible for the program. The income limits for pregnancy care are much higher (i.e., more lenient) for pregnancy care than for contraceptive services. If the limits were equal (allowing more Medicaid patients access to contraceptive services), as many as 200,000 abortions could be avoided annually, but I doubt you'd have any interest in that. Medicaid funds can be and are used for abortions in the case of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother. Only. This is because federal law mandates Medicaid payment under those circumstances. PPFA again becomes involved in such cases only because they are a major provider of the mandated services.

Originally Posted by citigirl

Planned Parenthood Federation of America reported an annual profit of $55.8 million for 2005-2006, with a record 264,943 abortions performed—9,000 more than the previous year.

PPFA is a 501(c)(3). Like any such organization its retained assets change from year to year. The prior year increase was $63.0 million. PPFA's total number of abortions performed increased because their share of total abortions has been increasing as the number of other providers has shrunk.

[saganista]

Originally Posted by Noahma

Sanger also supported eugenics...

In the same way she supported racists. Racists and eugenicists were among those she groomed and curried as patrons and contributors because they had the money. She herself was not an advocate of either. Her books were among those first to be banned in Nazi Germany in the 1930's...

[Noahma]

Originally Posted by DontH8Me

With that thinking, should we then ask our legislators to enact a law that anyone who wants to have hip replacement surgery then they MUST watch an actual hip replacement surgery from start to finish before having one themselves, so as to ensure that TOTAL education? Should a woman who is faced with having her breasts removed be forced to watch a recording of the procedure to make sure she knows what's REALLY happening while she's out? Should someone who is having a cebaceous cyst removed, first be forced to review the contents of someone else's cyst before they elect to have their own procedure done?

To me it seems ridiculous and redundant - if someone is going to have a surgery, then they have already received quite a bit of preparing from the medical staff and through their own personal research. Because you think it is necessary for a woman who chooses to abort to watch an abortion take place beforehand makes no sense. Your argument holds no water.

here is your inherit problem with what you state. A hip replacement is not a LIFE or DEATH situation where abortion IS. Your attempt at making a point is a comparison of apples and oranges, with only the link is that they are both fruit (medical surgery)

[citigirl]

Originally Posted by saganista

In the same way she supported racists. Racists and eugenicists were among those she groomed and curried as patrons and contributors because they had the money. She herself was not an advocate of either. Her books were among those first to be banned in Nazi Germany in the 1930's...

Margaret Sanger idea for abortion was to control the black population. Of course only something ugly can came from such ugly beginnings, PP.

[movingtolou]

Originally Posted by Noahma

same thing happened here, they origonaly thought our daughter was going to be ectopic (sp?), they were required to give us information regarding the pregnancy's termination. So now who is forcing beliefs on who?

In a normal pregnancy, an OB/GYN would NEVER tell a woman who has already decided that she is carrying to term...

'you sure you don't want to terminate? c'mon? you really should consider it..' It simply doesn't happen.

Again, for some people this is not an issue of life or death. So just don't force your opinions on others; and certainly don't try to legislate your belifs. Contrary to some people's claims, pro-choice advocates are not running around trying to see how many people they can dupe into getting abortions...

I wish that the people who are so staunchly opposed to abortion would spend less of their energy on this issue, and more of their time advocating for young children, acting as foster-care providers, or actually following through on adopting children, sponsoring childcare for poor and underserved communities, giving assistance to single mothers ...

It almost seems hypocritical to be so vocal about leaving women without a choice, and yet the 'roll call' suddenly falls deaf when I ask how many anti-choice people have actually personally DONE something for the children that they claim to be so concerned about...