New documentary - abortion in USA... (European, countries, Washington, articles)

[Noahma]

Originally Posted by movingtolou

In a normal pregnancy, an OB/GYN would NEVER tell a woman who has already decided that she is carrying to term...

'you sure you don't want to terminate? c'mon? you really should consider it..' It simply doesn't happen.

Again, for some people this is not an issue of life or death. So just don't force your opinions on others; and certainly don't try to legislate your belifs. Contrary to some people's claims, pro-choice advocates are not running around trying to see how many people they can dupe into getting abortions...

I wish that the people who are so staunchly opposed to abortion would spend less of their energy on this issue, and more of their time advocating for young children, acting as foster-care providers, or actually following through on adopting children, sponsoring childcare for poor and underserved communities, giving assistance to single mothers ...

It almost seems hypocritical to be so vocal about leaving women without a choice, and yet the 'roll call' suddenly falls deaf when I ask how many anti-choice people have actually personally DONE something for the children that they claim to be so concerned about...

you know the "don't force your beliefs on me" seems to work so well for pro-choicers, I think I will start using it myself. "Don't force your beliefs on me" ohh crap, you already did back in the 70's

It really makes me wonder sometimes. In schools people get mad if there is an abstinence program to be put in place. hmm... maybe teaching guys to keep the rocket in the pocket, and Lady's to keep their legs shut. Might help with what has turned into just another birth control method.

[ontheroad]

It's only when you don't have a choice that you start to feel that someone else's beliefs are governing your life. When choices exist, each of us can make an informed decision and live with those decisions.

[saganista]

Originally Posted by citigirl

Margaret Sanger idea for abortion was to control the black population. Of course only something ugly can came from such ugly beginnings, PP.

Margaret Sanger's work had nothing to do with abortion. Her idea was that every woman should have access to contraception -- the means by which to manage her own fertility...to end the crushing poverty- and orphan-producing cycle of pregnancy after unwanted pregnancy. Extending such access to rich white women in the urban north was not a problem. They flocked to it. Extending such access to poor black women in the rural south was a problem, so she took her work to them.

Since you seem to find contraception such an ugly thing meanwhile, may we assume that you eschew all means of it in your own life?

[movingtolou]

Originally Posted by Noahma

you know the "don't force your beliefs on me" seems to work so well for pro-choicers, I think I will start using it myself. "Don't force your beliefs on me" ohh crap, you already did back in the 70's

It really makes me wonder sometimes. In schools people get mad if there is an abstinence program to be put in place. hmm... maybe teaching guys to keep the rocket in the pocket, and Lady's to keep their legs shut. Might help with what has turned into just another birth control method.

ontheroad has it correct, nobody is trying to force you, or your wife to HAVE an abortion...as reasoned adults, you are able to make that decision for yourselves, based on your beliefs... Nobody is forcing your wife to breastfeed. Nobody is forcing you to eat vegan. Nobody is forcing their beliefs on you...and trying to make it law.

I completely respect your belief. I really do. I have friends who I know would never consider abortion themselves; many of them still don't oppose allowing a woman to make that decision for herself, as it is her body.

Also, I don't know many people who want to 'outlaw' teaching abstinence. It is usually the anti-birth control crowd that wants to limit the scope of knowledge. Most proponents of teaching birth control, are more than happy to include abstinence as THE most certain method of birth control, and std prevention; but they are also armed to give other information.

[baby_firefly]

Originally Posted by citigirl

and look at the life threatening reasons for abortions!

On average, women give four reasons for choosing abortion. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.

wow those certainly are life threatening

[DontH8Me]

Originally Posted by Noahma

here is your inherit problem with what you state. A hip replacement is not a LIFE or DEATH situation where abortion IS. Your attempt at making a point is a comparison of apples and oranges, with only the link is that they are both fruit (medical surgery)

Actually, a hip replacement surgery is far more invasive, complicated, and the recovery time is much greater than that of an abortion. Having an abortion is safer than carrying a baby to full term and delivering it. An abortion is an outpatient procedure - can the same be said of a hip replacement? I'm sorry if you refuse to recognize the validity of the facts as they stand.

[baby_firefly]

Originally Posted by katzenfreund

I do not equate an 8 week old fetus with a child.

what a very convenient way to think
its really amusing the way your side likes to twist the truth around
why dont you go preach the wonders of abortion to the lady that wrote a book about her experience of being born after her mother had an abortion, she was born brain damaged (isnt that a great way to go thru life permanently handicapped i know i couldnt think of anything better)
and i'm sure that you could find plenty other storys just like that to

[citigirl]

Originally Posted by saganista

Margaret Sanger's work had nothing to do with abortion. Her idea was that every woman should have access to contraception -- the means by which to manage her own fertility...to end the crushing poverty- and orphan-producing cycle of pregnancy after unwanted pregnancy. Extending such access to rich white women in the urban north was not a problem. They flocked to it. Extending such access to poor black women in the rural south was a problem, so she took her work to them.

Since you seem to find contraception such an ugly thing meanwhile, may we assume that you eschew all means of it in your own life?

Just where have you ever seen me say I was against contraception?

Margaret Sanger was a racist. She wanted to keep the black population down. That was her interest in poor black women.

[mbmouse]

Originally Posted by DontH8Me

Having an abortion is safer than carrying a baby to full term and delivering it.

Where did you get that info might I ask? According to everything I have read in the past 20 years on this subject states differently, unless of course it is from PP, which is the only place I can find that even hinted too that an abortion is sooo safe.
Having a child through natural birth is medically unarguably safe for a woman with a normal pregnancy, heck our bodies were made for it. The procedure of abortion is extremely dangerous to all of the reproductive organs of a woman. And increases the chance of eptopic pregnancy exponentially in a pregnancy of a woman who has had a prior abortion. Also the chances of hemorrhaging after a abortion is 10 times the chances of a woman who gives natural birth. They only comparison I can see that would be even close is looking at the risks involved with C-section and abortion.

[madicarus2000]

Originally Posted by Noahma

you know the "don't force your beliefs on me" seems to work so well for pro-choicers, I think I will start using it myself. "Don't force your beliefs on me" ohh crap, you already did back in the 70's

So in the 70’s did you get forced to have an abortion? Have you been forced to get an abortion? The only change that happened was women were still allowed to choose whether they wanted to get one or not, not that a belief was forced on you.

Originally Posted by Noahma

It really makes me wonder sometimes. In schools people get mad if there is an abstinence program to be put in place. hmm... maybe teaching guys to keep the rocket in the pocket, and Lady's to keep their legs shut. Might help with what has turned into just another birth control method.

Most reasonable people only get mad when it is abstinence only and don’t seem to be mad when it is abstinence and other methods of preventing pregnancies and STD’s. There is a big difference. So far studies, and you can search the Department of Health and Human Services website, shows that abstinence only education is not effective, students are still having sex.

It only works if people practice it, but just as we tell kids not to speed in a car, guess what, they don’t actually listen and still speed.