New documentary - abortion in USA... (wisdom, percentage, religion, slavery)

[DontH8Me]

Originally Posted by mbmouse

Where did you get that info might I ask? According to everything I have read in the past 20 years on this subject states differently, unless of course it is from PP, which is the only place I can find that even hinted too that an abortion is sooo safe.
Having a child through natural birth is medically unarguably safe for a woman with a normal pregnancy, heck our bodies were made for it. The procedure of abortion is extremely dangerous to all of the reproductive organs of a woman. And increases the chance of eptopic pregnancy exponentially in a pregnancy of a woman who has had a prior abortion. Also the chances of hemorrhaging after a abortion is 10 times the chances of a woman who gives natural birth. They only comparison I can see that would be even close is looking at the risks involved with C-section and abortion.

News Review From Harvard Medical School -- More U.S. Women Die Giving Birth
More U.S. women are dying in childbirth, government figures show. The rate was 12 deaths per 100,000 live births in 2003. It rose to 13 per 100,000 in 2004.

InteliHealth:

Interpretation: From 1990 through 1997, the number of legal induced abortions gradually declined. In 1998 and 1999, the number of abortions continued to decrease when comparing the same 48 reporting areas. In 2000, even with one additional reporting state, the number of abortions declined slightly. In 1998 and 1999, as in previous years, deaths related to legal induced abortions occurred rarely (<1 death per 100,000 abortions).

Abortion Surveillance --- United States, 2000

Let me sum it up for you: 12 deaths per 100,000 women who deliver; <1 death per 100,000 women having legal abortions. The chances of a woman dying in labor are more than ten times higher than a woman getting an abortion. Again, as I stated earlier, I am sorry if you cannot accept the validity of facts as they stand.

[TriMT7]

I still don't understand why there even IS an "abortion" debate anymore, in light of news that the legality of abortion does NOTHING to curb abortion rates, motives, or deaths?


Can someone enlighten me?

[mbmouse]

Originally Posted by DontH8Me

News Review From Harvard Medical School -- More U.S. Women Die Giving Birth
More U.S. women are dying in childbirth, government figures show. The rate was 12 deaths per 100,000 live births in 2003. It rose to 13 per 100,000 in 2004.

InteliHealth:

Interpretation: From 1990 through 1997, the number of legal induced abortions gradually declined. In 1998 and 1999, the number of abortions continued to decrease when comparing the same 48 reporting areas. In 2000, even with one additional reporting state, the number of abortions declined slightly. In 1998 and 1999, as in previous years, deaths related to legal induced abortions occurred rarely (<1 death per 100,000 abortions).

Abortion Surveillance --- United States, 2000

Let me sum it up for you: 12 deaths per 100,000 women who deliver; <1 death per 100,000 women having legal abortions. The chances of a woman dying in labor are more than ten times higher than a woman getting an abortion. Again, as I stated earlier, I am sorry if you cannot accept the validity of facts as they stand.

ok, by reading those stats I can see your point. Can you find stats on complications and health risks to the mother in live births verse abortions? By reading your earlier post that I responded to, I was under the impression you were saying that abortion was over all safer than live birth.
Because if we are going to talk deaths in natural child birth verses abortion, well there is a death involved in every abortion, you can't say that about natural child birth.

[mbmouse]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

I still don't understand why there even IS an "abortion" debate anymore, in light of news that the legality of abortion does NOTHING to curb abortion rates, motives, or deaths?


Can someone enlighten me?

To answer your question from my perspective, if it more MORE REGULATED verses "legal or illegal" it might stop some of the abortions done for the reason of birth control, such as multiple abortions for one woman or "for convenience sake" and might increase the adoption rate and eventually, hopefully change the adoption regulations. I believe they go hand in hand, and if one is not addressed, nor will the other, just like stem cell research.

[movingtolou]

Originally Posted by mbmouse

ok, by reading those stats I can see your point. Can you find stats on complications and health risks to the mother in live births verse abortions? By reading your earlier post that I responded to, I was under the impression you were saying that abortion was over all safer than live birth.
Because if we are going to talk deaths in natural child birth verses abortion, well there is a death involved in every abortion, you can't say that about natural child birth.

The information provided, indicates that it is less risky than carrying to term... (something, I admit, I did not know myself)

...additional info, a recent article posted on YahooHealth the other day has United Nations statistics that also confirm that per/100,000 cases death is more likely in carrying a fetus to full term...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071013/ap_on_he_me/un_dying_from_childbirth;_ylt=AncYY6YxdThzFyDxAQHR WktZ24cA (broken link)

[ontheroad]

Good info. But I do want to stress that live births internationally are different than national live births. I believe the US lags behind in infant mortality in the West, but when compared to other nations, we are way ahead.

And as for abortion deaths: Just imagine how that number might climb if were illegal.

Originally Posted by movingtolou

The information provided, indicates that it is less risky than carrying to term... (something, I admit, I did not know myself)

...additional info, a recent article posted on YahooHealth the other day has United Nations statistics that also confirm that per/100,000 cases death is more likely in carrying a fetus to full term...

Report: Childbirth deaths down slightly - Yahoo! News (broken link)

[Yeledaf]

Originally Posted by ontheroad

Good info. But I do want to stress that live births internationally are different than national live births. I believe the US lags behind in infant mortality in the West, but when compared to other nations, we are way ahead.

And as for abortion deaths: Just imagine how that number might climb if were illegal.

Are there any statistics that birth mortality has declined since abortion was made legal?

And don't forget that 100% of the babies were killed. Very efficient.

[ontheroad]

I'm sure there are many active statistics about mortality and morbidity on the net.

Originally Posted by Yeledaf

Are there any statistics that birth mortality has declined since abortion was made legal?

And don't forget that 100% of the babies were killed. Very efficient.

[Yeledaf]

Originally Posted by ontheroad

I'm sure there are many active statistics about mortality and morbidity on the net.

Yes, I'll bet that topic has been done to death.

[movingtolou]

Originally Posted by ontheroad

Good info. But I do want to stress that live births internationally are different than national live births. I believe the US lags behind in infant mortality in the West, but when compared to other nations, we are way ahead.

And as for abortion deaths: Just imagine how that number might climb if were illegal.

The US is ahead compared to other nations; but I was shocked to see some of the countries ahead of us...

WASHINGTON, Oct 13 (Reuters) - The United States has a sharply higher rate of women dying during or just after pregnancy than European countries
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