New documentary - abortion in USA... (injection, examples, troops, representation)

[DontH8Me]

Originally Posted by tinasgt2005

That is so melodramatic.Years ago women were not educated on birth control, un-married pregnat were shunned and many times dis-owned, adoption was not really talked about sex education was not yet talked about in schools. Yes, years ago when abortion was Illegal, women were bleeding to death from abortions. That was before education, and society has finally progressed to a point that an un-married pregnant women is not ostrasized. If there were restrictions on abortions which made it impossible for women to use abortion as a means of birth control then women would be turning to adoption as the alternative. I believe we would see a drop in teenage pregnancy and I also believe we would see a drop in STD's. I believe women would take better care with their bodies. IMO

You're fooling yourself if you believe that comment I bolded. If a woman is faced with an unwanted pregnancy and has decided to abort, she will NOT be delivering a baby for adoption. Quite frankly, the fact that there are people who think this is remotely true are just not allowing truth to sink in.

Must history repeat itself, where women fashion their own contraptions to D&C themselves, fling themselves down stairwells, commit suicide, or whatever else they can come up with? All of those things, and then some, happened regularly from the dawn of man right up to when abortion was finally made a legal option - this is not arcane information.

The fact that there are those among us who would have us return to such drastic times is very disheartening. What is worse is the oblivion exhibited by those who would embrace such draconian measures.

[DontH8Me]

Originally Posted by burdell

So because of one situation you happen to have personal knowledge of you'd force every woman pregnant by rape to carry to term? I think that is at the extreme of being heartless.

Only if your morals aren't identical to hers. You see, when people fail to appreciate or accept that not everyone thinks, feels, and believes exactly what they do (or are even allowed to), they are entirely oblivious to their own selfrighteousness.

[tinasgt2005]

Originally Posted by DontH8Me

You're fooling yourself if you believe that comment I bolded. If a woman is faced with an unwanted pregnancy and has decided to abort, she will NOT be delivering a baby for adoption. Quite frankly, the fact that there are people who think this is remotely true are just not allowing truth to sink in.

Must history repeat itself, where women fashion their own contraptions to D&C themselves, fling themselves down stairwells, commit suicide, or whatever else they can come up with? All of those things, and then some, happened regularly from the dawn of man right up to when abortion was finally made a legal option - this is not arcane information.

The fact that there are those among us who would have us return to such drastic times is very disheartening. What is worse is the oblivion exhibited by those who would embrace such draconian measures.

Most women HAD abortions because of the stigma of being an un-married pregnant woman. Now an un-married pregnant woman in not uncommon.

[citigirl]

Originally Posted by burdell

Not so, if a woman takes responsibility, uses contraception, and that contraception fails, if the opposers of abortion had their way, you would be forcing her to either walk down that alley or face 9 months of an unwanted pregnancy. Being heartless is not a wonderful thing.

Are these woman unaware that pregnancy may result from sex?

[ontheroad]

These are the key words for me; the difference between the righteous and the self-righteous.

Seems simple, but it sure ain't!

Originally Posted by DontH8Me

their own selfrighteousness.

[tinasgt2005]

Originally Posted by DontH8Me

Only if your morals aren't identical to hers. You see, when people fail to appreciate or accept that not everyone thinks, feels, and believes exactly what they do (or are even allowed to), they are entirely oblivious to their own selfrighteousness.

I don't believe anyone is saying you are not entitled to your belief. Your are pro-choice I am not. I do not judge you for your belief. I do not even judge a woman who has had an abortion, it is after all legal. I will continue believing that abortion is murder and I will continue believing that restrictions need to be put on the abortions. That is my right. I am sure you do not believe in every law that we have in this country. It is your right to fight for a change.

[DontH8Me]

Originally Posted by tinasgt2005

Most women HAD abortions because of the stigma of being an un-married pregnant woman. Now an un-married pregnant woman in not uncommon.

Oh, forgive me, I was ignorant of the fact that you speak for "most women". Thanks for the enlightenment!

[tinasgt2005]

Originally Posted by ontheroad

These are the key words for me; the difference between the righteous and the self-righteous.

Seems simple, but it sure ain't!

Again, you all are the ones atacking our beliefs. We believe it is murder, we believe there needs to be restrictions. That is our right. We will continue to speak out for reform. That is our right. It is your right to speak out for a woman's choice. It is when you attack someone else belief and start attacking them that it becomes wrong.

[ontheroad]

I don't believe I said you weren't entitled to your beliefs.

I commented on the words, "righteous" and "self-righteous."

When one's belief is foisted on another it is "self-righteous" regardless of the position taken.

Perhaps you read into my comments?

Originally Posted by tinasgt2005

Again, you all are the ones atacking our beliefs. We believe it is murder, we believe there needs to be restrictions. That is our right. We will continue to speak out for reform. That is our right. It is your right to speak out for a woman's choice. It is when you attack someone else belief and start attacking them that it becomes wrong.

[tinasgt2005]

Originally Posted by DontH8Me

Oh, forgive me, I was ignorant of the fact that you speak for "most women". Thanks for the enlightenment!

Are you saying that 30-40 years ago that there wasn't a stigma on un-married pregnant women? That women were being dis-owned or made to go out of state to deliver their babies "So no one would know"?