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Old 11-08-2012, 12:56 PM
 
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I would love to set up a Red State country and a separate Blue State country.. I'm fiscally conservative, libertarian on social issues (stay out of my business, but don't take my money for your social problems), and as a veteran, believe in a strong military.

But how long would it be before the takers in the blue states run out of money and knock the wall down to get into the red states? I would give it 4 years.
I gonna say back in the day MANY "red" state people wouldv'e been "blue". I know many conservative people who are Ok with Gays and Gay marriage, mixed race marriage like as in Black and white and so on. Many "cons" can't stand drunk drivers and dealing with second hand cig smoke either. Even other "cons" would like to see marijuana legal.

 
Old 11-08-2012, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Schaumburg
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What's wrong with mixed race marriages? I was in a mixed race marriage and mixing the gene pool is actually healthier than marrying in the same nationality. No one really bats an eye at that anymore, everyone just wants neighbors who keep the outside appearance of their homes clean and don't cause trouble

Also, I detest second hand smoke as a person and as a health care worker (makes me cough and eyes water), but I do believe in businesses right to choose whether they want to ban smoking or not.

My parents always voted Democrat, but my mom started voting Republican in 2000, my Dad would have rolled over in his grave if he saw all the outlier crap in the democratic party that is happening. WHere have all he blue dog Democrats like Evan Bayh gone?
 
Old 11-08-2012, 03:12 PM
 
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Can we all stop transferring World of Warcraft color-coded symbolism into real-LIFE!
 
Old 11-08-2012, 03:27 PM
 
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As much as I hate the south, it's not that simple. The main urban centers in the SOUTH and most Republican states lean towards Dems.

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Purple maps of the 2012 presidential election ? The Monkey Cage


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Old 11-08-2012, 03:31 PM
 
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What's wrong with mixed race marriages? I was in a mixed race marriage and mixing the gene pool is actually healthier than marrying in the same nationality. No one really bats an eye at that anymore, everyone just wants neighbors who keep the outside appearance of their homes clean and don't cause trouble

Also, I detest second hand smoke as a person and as a health care worker (makes me cough and eyes water), but I do believe in businesses right to choose whether they want to ban smoking or not.

My parents always voted Democrat, but my mom started voting Republican in 2000, my Dad would have rolled over in his grave if he saw all the outlier crap in the democratic party that is happening. WHere have all he blue dog Democrats like Evan Bayh gone?
Not me. I was trying to say that not all "conservatives" are Bull Connor type racists.
 
Old 11-08-2012, 03:36 PM
 
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The red states now will tell the illegal mexicans that they can find work and love in the blue states and send them there...
 
Old 11-08-2012, 03:44 PM
 
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Red staters, if you don't like the election results, by all means, SECEDE FROM THE UNION! I would be the first to vote Texas, Arizona, and the bible belt out. We chose "socialism" and a bunch of us voted for gay marriage and legalized marijuana, while Arkansas didn't even want medical marijuana.

By all means tea partiers, go ahead and break free of our liberal, godless union. We would be better off without you anyway:

How Blue States Subsidize Red States | MRCYRIAC GOES TO WASHINGTON

This isn't even a thread to have an open discussion. It's a baiting thread and incredibly insulting to anyone who doesn't want to live in a socialistic country. I am shocked that city-data has lowered its standards, by allowing this thread to remain open. This is still America and in America, we are not a socialistic country. Maybe the OP should move to one of the European countries that embraces socialism.
 
Old 11-08-2012, 03:46 PM
 
Location: MW
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Oh libs. You provide great comedy.
 
Old 11-08-2012, 04:12 PM
 
Location: not Chicagoland
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Oh libs. You provide great comedy.
You really aren't that good at grasping ideas, are you?
 
Old 11-08-2012, 04:13 PM
 
Location: 406
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No, I have no desire to rule them either. We should all go our separate ways...but I'd settle with states rights and no one forcing their views on us (most of the money against prop 74 in Washington was from out of state)
It's pleasant to see that someone who leans as far to the Left as you do can still manage to embrace the constitutionally-grounded notion that respect for state autonomy is a possible, viable solution to respecting this country's vast political diversity, not to mention the only possible means (at least so far as I can tell) of peacefully preserving the republic.

If you happen to read this, Tom, do take notes...

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Back in the day, we had more states rights. It wasn't until after the Civil War and after that our rights ended as individual states.
Yes, the immediate political aftermath of the Civil War took a horrific toll on the sovereignty of individual states (in addition to distorting the intended relationship between individuals and government), but I still can't discard the fact that the Union's success was an applaudable slap across the face to foreign interests that wanted the country, along with its economic and military potential, to collapse indefinitely.

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HELL NO! He hasn't closed Gitmo, he hasn't gone after the banksters, he hasn't moved to reinstate Glass-Steagall, he gives money to corporations left and right and is all around a chump. BUT, he sure beats billionaire Mr. Gilded Age Romney.

Elizabeth Warren, Alan Grayson and of course Bernie Sanders are different stories.
Well speaking of the Gilded Age, it's interesting that mercantilism continues to make its comeback behind the facade of "globalization," isn't it? Barack Obama (like his former opponent) is evidently not someone who, in my estimation, stands as any sort of obstacle to the destruction that this "natural" process has wielded on our country.

While I'm still pretty iffy on Bernie Sanders and, in particular, Elizabeth Warren, I'm nevertheless content to see that Alan Grayson has made a comeback--anyone who's vehemently vocal about loathing the Federal Reserve and railing against banker bailouts is pretty damned cool in my book (however, I was pretty turned off by his support for a massive corporate welfare check to an industry that bankrupted itself). And yes, I agree, we need (NEED) the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall and the closure of Guantanamo.

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Agree. I want the end of the USSA and we can all happily go our separate ways...I'LL SETTLE with people let us in blue America becoming like Sweden and we can let the deep south ban all things gay including pedicures for men and require speaking in the tongues to be taught in public schools.
Well, hopefully more people will eventually come to terms with the fact that it's grossly immoral, counter-productive and often illegal to legislatively coerce places and the people within them into being governed in contravention to the political will of the people who have democratic voice within the separate powers.

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Again, out of state money comes in funding psychos and their initiatives.
I suppose you have a point there, but I'm glad that civil libertarianism in your state wasn't deterred by out of state donors.

As for my own state, it's unsettling to see how much out of state money was donated to our office elections and initiative/referendum campaigns. IR-124, which was of course (narrowly) passed by MT voters on Tuesday, effectively gutted what was, arguably perhaps, the most relaxed medical marijuana law in the country (which, incidentally, was overwhelmingly passed by voters in 2004; however, I suppose that endless federal raids of our dispensaries throughout 2011 could have helped to sour people on the merits of the law, unfortunately).

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Because so many people (mostly in the deep south and south west) think that means I hate all human life and should be put to death. Just the reality. We want America to move forward...others want us to move backwards. In the words of the immortal Peter Griffin of "Family Guy", "There are two symbols of the Republican party: elephants and old white men who are afraid of change."
To be fair, I think the Republican party is a little more diverse (ethnically, socio-economically, etc.) than it gets credit for, but, then again, as I've learned in large part from the Democratic party, things like ethnic and socio-economic diversity are not defaults for collective honesty, competence and loyalty to country.

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And so am I. Now we can end this absurd war on a drug that doesn't kill and is less harmful than alcohol and focus instead on things like Crystal Meth that really do destroy lives. That is one of the issues that united both the leftists on the west side of Washington and the more libertarian leaning people in the east.
Yes, it's interesting that, at least there for a little while, marijuana use seemed to be almost the moral equivalent of slamming chrystal meth where some laws were concerned. All of us in the NW especially have seen what an inhuman atrocity that drug is, and we're largely growing tired of our resources being exhausted in order to suppress the use of a substance that poses virtually no threat whatsoever to public health. Hopefully MT voters will eventually reverse what they supported on Tuesday.

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