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Old 11-09-2012, 01:35 AM
 
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Uh you'd better cut off about the eastern half of all those states and pretty much ALL of Cali north of SF and most of Oregon south of Portland: that's "red" land. Even many parts of Mi and Ill are "red" once Chicagoland and so on are left off. Probably the same about Pa and upstate NY being red too.

That's leave the Calif strip from about SF to Mexico; Chicagoland, the Wash DC to Boston corridor, that's it. folks being "blue".

I keep saying this over and over again: CROSS MIGRATION! Have open borders for a few years and everyone can move to where they feel more comfortable. I did: New Jersey wasn't far to the left enough for me so I moved to Seattle.

I mean, it worked for the Czech Republic and Slovakia:

Dissolution of Czechoslovakia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 
Old 11-09-2012, 01:39 AM
 
Location: Texas
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And it was TEN TIMES WORSE under laissez faire economics, and has been improving under social democracy.

Again, if laissez faire economics work, why isn't Somalia a heaven on Earth?
When did Brazil try laissez faire?
Historically, from 1995 until 2012, Brazil Government Spending averaged 103432.81 BRL Million reaching an all time high of 264737.23 BRL Million in November of 2011 and a record low of 35636 BRL Million in February of 1995.
from 2000 to late 2001 spending wasn't over ~70000 BRL million.
It's not laissez faire when government spending grows by leaps and bounds.

Brazil Government Spending

Somalia never has tried it.
 
Old 11-09-2012, 01:44 AM
 
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When did Brazil try laissez faire?
Historically, from 1995 until 2012, Brazil Government Spending averaged 103432.81 BRL Million reaching an all time high of 264737.23 BRL Million in November of 2011 and a record low of 35636 BRL Million in February of 1995.
from 2000 to late 2001 spending wasn't over ~70000 BRL million.
It's not laissez faire when government spending grows by leaps and bounds.

Brazil Government Spending
During the military government in Brazil from the 60s to the 80s, and has very little government intervention into economics...and it sucked.


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Somalia never has tried it.


Somalia is the most laissez faire economy on Earth. Nothing regulated, nothing taxed...and it's the poorest country on Earth. Coincidence?
 
Old 11-09-2012, 01:56 AM
 
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Brazil Believes It Can Have Social Indicators of Rich Country in 6 Years

And, I may ad, what the Pinochet inspired Republicans want for America just DOES NOT WORK. The Poverty in Hong Kong, the most laissez faire place on earth, is proof of that.

Hong Kong's poorest living in 'coffin homes' - CNN.com

Social Democracy? That, indeed, does work.


Social Democracy works
Your post doesn't wash.

tell me which of the 10 poorest countries in the world have a laissez faire government?
The 10 Poorest Countries in the World - 24/7 Wall St.

hard to find info on Hong Kong but
http://www.hkcss.org.hk/cb4/ecp/pov_rate_91-05.pdf
2005 it says 17.7

Hong Kong under pressure as poverty levels rise - Telegraph
But underneath its glittering skyline, almost a fifth of the island's population is now living in poverty.

Puts them with Spain, Egypt, Greece who are at 20 percent. US 15% Japan 16%
Population below poverty line by country - Thematic Map - World
 
Old 11-09-2012, 02:02 AM
 
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Your post doesn't wash.

tell me which of the 10 poorest countries in the world have a laissez faire government?
The 10 Poorest Countries in the World - 24/7 Wall St.

hard to find info on Hong Kong but
http://www.hkcss.org.hk/cb4/ecp/pov_rate_91-05.pdf
2005 it says 17.7

Hong Kong under pressure as poverty levels rise - Telegraph
But underneath its glittering skyline, almost a fifth of the island's population is now living in poverty.

Puts them with Spain, Egypt, Greece who are at 20 percent. US 15% Japan 16%
Population below poverty line by country - Thematic Map - World

Ah, Haiti is basically a laizze faire economy, as is most of Africa.

Hong Kong's poverty stats, remember, are run by China...a communist country that benefits from a laissez faire outpost (laissez faire, communism, same thing, same elites ruling our lives) China has been known to lie about economics.

What are the best countries on Earth? Surprise, the social democracies.

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PERCENTAGE OF CHILDREN LIVING IN POVERTY



United States ------------ 21.5%

Great Britain ------------- 9.9%

Germany ----------------- 6.8%

France -------------------- 6.5%

Belgium ------------------ 3.8%

Sweden ------------------- 2.7%

Social Democracy works
 
Old 11-09-2012, 02:27 AM
 
Location: Grove City, Ohio
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I really hope you have a more intelligent argument.
Because this one is completely off base.

How is California's fiscal health?

What you partisian hacks fail to realize is our problems are not ideolgically based. Our problems are corruption.
This nation has flourished under Democrats and has Flourished under Republicans. The one thing it CANNOT flourish under is rampant corruption ie Crony Capitialism.

At no other time in our history has corrupt business been so tied to the hip with corrupt Goverment. This includes the vast military industrial complex and the Federal Reserve. Both have been more then harmful to the well being of our nation.

It is time to end the corruption.
"The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations."
-Thomas Jefferson
The end of democracy...(Quotation) Thomas Jefferson

And where do these murderous incorporations Jefferson speaks of reside? Last I heard it wasn't the red states which are parasitical in nature.
 
Old 11-09-2012, 02:30 AM
 
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Ah, Haiti is basically a laizze faire economy, as is most of Africa.

Hong Kong's poverty stats, remember, are run by China...a communist country that benefits from a laissez faire outpost (laissez faire, communism, same thing, same elites ruling our lives) China has been known to lie about economics.

What are the best countries on Earth? Surprise, the social democracies.

Social Democracy works
And don't forget Greece, Spain and Portugal!

But Greece is my favorite where the retirement age was kept at 53 until Bush decided to raise it.

Power to the peoples!
 
Old 11-09-2012, 03:55 PM
 
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Ah, Haiti is basically a laizze faire economy, as is most of Africa.

Hong Kong's poverty stats, remember, are run by China...a communist country that benefits from a laissez faire outpost (laissez faire, communism, same thing, same elites ruling our lives) China has been known to lie about economics.

What are the best countries on Earth? Surprise, the social democracies.


Social Democracy works
no on Haiti - the central government delegates powers to the departments without a constitutional need for consent.

not laizze faire
You wont see laissez faire except for a short period. Big drop in government taxes and spending is one sure sign. Like the US did in the mini depression in the early 1920's. Spending and taxes were cut by 40 percent over 2 years and unemployment went from 12 to under 4 in those 2 years.
 
Old 11-09-2012, 07:16 PM
 
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And don't forget Greece, Spain and Portugal!

But Greece is my favorite where the retirement age was kept at 53 until Bush decided to raise it.

Power to the peoples!

All those countries suffered from TAX CHEATS, i.e., MITT ROMNEYS. They were full of people cheating their taxes and that is why they fell on their faces.

Denmark, with the highest tax rates in the world and 90% of the work force in unions, has lower unemployment than we do and a lot less poverty and less national debt.

Plus, all three of those countries have one thing in common that Denmark doesn't: THE EURO.
 
Old 11-09-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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no on Haiti - the central government delegates powers to the departments without a constitutional need for consent.

not laizze faire
And that power HARDLY TAXES ANYONE and everything is left alone. And in Somalia, there is no central government, no taxes etc...AND IT'S HELL ON EARTH.

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You wont see laissez faire except for a short period. Big drop in government taxes and spending is one sure sign. Like the US did in the mini depression in the early 1920's. Spending and taxes were cut by 40 percent over 2 years and unemployment went from 12 to under 4 in those 2 years.



And what happened as a result of all that laissez faire capitalism in the roaring twenties?

Great Depression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Laissez faire capitalism is just as absurd as communism: NEITHER WORK, YET PEOPLE CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR BOTH EVEN THOUGH BOTH ARE MISERABLE FAILURES.


In short:

Communism:



Laissez fair capitalism:



Social Democracy:



Simple as that.
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