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Old 11-07-2012, 06:31 AM
 
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I've said it before but those tea party extremist are going to be the death of the GOP. Now, with demographics changing and those old white men who are afraid of change no longer being enough, the GOP needs to go back to its roots. Only one man can bring them back and get suburbs and CITIES into the GOP fold again (how can they dismiss every major city in America?) only one man can bring them back to the way they use to be and make them mainstream again. Time to go back to the old days or see defeat again. Only one man can save the GOP...or at least, his legacy:

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Old 11-07-2012, 06:54 AM
 
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Low revenue = deficit
raise taxes = lowering deficit
simple enough even for simpletons to figure out.
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:58 AM
 
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You seem to be living in 2004 when that's what Tea Party about. It's now 2012 and the original grassroots Tea Party has been all but lost because of the religious right having co-opted it.

Smaller government that can still get things done is not a bad idea. Nor is a smaller deficit, obviously. But as long as you've got old white guys talking about rape being God's will while flying the Tea Party flag, well, you're not going very far.
Agree, that the original motivation behind the Tea Party, i.e. to limit excessive government spending, has been totally co-opted by the religious social movement.

The concept was that the only way that government can be reigned in and force a reduction in wasteful and excessive spending that was harmful to the overall economy (though helpful to the top 1%) is a reasonable away to approach the overall problem of a continuing $1 trillion dollar per year debt which is bankrupting the middle class.

Another way to stop wasteful spending is to stop bailing out Wall Street which is also costing the middle class trillions of dollars. This was the Occupy Wall Street approach. It also has validity.

But the ultra-rich want no part of either solution. So they simply transformed the Tea Party from an economic movement into a social movement which manifested itself into some really extreme candidates for offices which have no appeal to the vast majority of people in either party.

I think the majority of citizens in the U.S. want to end wasteful spending (whether it be in entitlement programs or Wall Street bailouts) but until we get a crisis that forces the end of waste, it may just continue. The fiscal cliff may be the event that finally forces some change in the enormous amount of waste in the Federal government.
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:59 AM
 
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Agree, that the original motivation behind the Tea Party, i.e. to limit excessive government spending, has been totally co-opted by the religious social movement.

The concept was that the only way that government can be reigned in and force a reduction in wasteful and excessive spending that was harmful to the overall economy (though helpful to the top 1%) is a reasonable away to approach the overall problem of a continuing $1 trillion dollar per year debt which is bankrupting the middle class.

Another way to stop wasteful spending is to stop bailing out Wall Street which is also costing the middle class trillions of dollars. This was the Occupy Wall Street approach. It also has validity.

But the ultra-rich want no part of either solution. So they simply transformed the Tea Party from an economic movement into a social movement which manifested itself into some really extreme candidates for offices which have no appeal to the vast majority of people in either party.

I think the majority of citizens in the U.S. want to end wasteful spending (whether it be in entitlement programs or Wall Street bailouts) but until we get a crisis that forces the end of waste, it may just continue. The fiscal cliff may be the event that finally forces some change in the enormous amount of waste in the Federal government.
Good comments Rich
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:00 AM
 
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Low revenue = deficit
raise taxes = lowering deficit
simple enough even for simpletons to figure out.
Agreed...

As long as your raise them on everyone..all American's should have some "skin" in the game. But that is not the system we have.

Federal income taxes are the only way to bring down the debt, combined with cuts in spending. We can't do that if half the country pays no Federal Income tax. And no, I am not an advocate of flat taxes or any of that.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:03 AM
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The Tea Party is standing in the gap for America. If you are smart, you don't want it to move. It is standing between our country and destruction. Maybe the Tea Party and true conservatives should replace the Republican party.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:03 AM
 
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The tea baggers are DOA but know this crazy is alway on the fringe ready to take power when things look like they can move in. All the fools saying buy gold and guns and move to the hills. Its the rich trying to manipulate the stupid, the Koch brothers lost big. I hope it hit their back pocket big. Now we need some good supreme court appointments.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:04 AM
 
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I've said it before but those tea party extremist are going to be the death of the GOP. Now, with demographics changing and those old white men who are afraid of change no longer being enough, the GOP needs to go back to its roots. Only one man can bring them back and get suburbs and CITIES into the GOP fold again (how can they dismiss every major city in America?) only one man can bring them back to the way they use to be and make them mainstream again. Time to go back to the old days or see defeat again. Only one man can save the GOP...or at least, his legacy:
Agree. We need a leader like Eisenhower. Eisenhower was actually quite bi-partisan and could have joined either party and was wooed by both parties, as was Colin Powell. He was a man of action, leadership, and really cared about growing a strong middle class and warned the country about the growing military-industrial complex. He had scorn for Nixon and didn't tolerate waste. He put together the national highway system and also embraced the graduated income tax with a maximum 92% marginal rate to ensure that the cost of growth would be fairly shared. And ... he didn't have the enormous amount of waste and corruption in his government that we now have.

It was a different time, but bringing a man like Ike back onto the national stage would be a relief to me, and I am a life long Democrat who is just tired of burdening our children with trillions upon trillions of dollars in debt. Basically selling off our country to the ultra-rich, here and abroad.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:06 AM
 
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The Tea Party is standing in the gap for America. If you are smart, you don't want it to move. It is standing between our country and destruction. Maybe the Tea Party and true conservatives should replace the Republican party.
Social and religious conservatism with which the Tea Party is identified is probably what cost the GOP this election. The Tea Party has been rejected by middle America.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:06 AM
 
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Agree. We need a leader like Eisenhower. Eisenhower was actually quite bi-partisan and could have joined either party and was wooed by both parties, as was Colin Powell. He was a man of action, leadership, and really cared about growing a strong middle class and warned the country about the growing military-industrial complex. He had scorn for Nixon and didn't tolerate waste. He put together the national highway system and also embraced the graduated income tax with a maximum 92% marginal rate to ensure that the cost of growth would be fairly shared. And ... he didn't have the enormous amount of waste and corruption in his government that we now have.

It was a different time, but bringing a man like Ike back onto the national stage would be a relief to me, and I am a life long Democrat who is just tired of burdening our children with trillions upon trillions of dollars in debt. Basically selling off our country to the ultra-rich, here and abroad.
I can entirely agree with this post.
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