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Old 11-07-2012, 01:15 PM
 
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There has to be some changes, and I would like to see the GOP come up with some workable plan, at least start the ball rolling. Here is my simplistic idea, of course it would need to be amended but for starters: we know we can not send 10, to 20 million people back home.

Give amnesty to people who have been here more than 10 years: who have never had a run in with the law: have worked and contributed to the economy, are willing to pay a fine and apply for citizenship as well as learn English..For those who were brought here as children and had no say so, they should be offered amnesty if they have had no run ins with the law and apply for citizenship as well as have jobs or are in school. As for in state tuition? I am on the fence with that one.
Then you are for rewarding felons with amnesty? Most illegals are working under fake or stolen ID's or under the table without paying taxes. Would an American be given a pass or just a fine for committing a felony? I think not! As for those brought here by their parents it is also rewarding those parents for violating our immigration laws.

How about this? Implement e-verify across the board. That will stop the employers from hiring illegals and there will be no jobs for them. How about we end birthright citizenship unless one parent is a U.S. citizen? That will keep them from tapping into our welfare system.

The jobs that these illegals are holding are jobs that Americans need. What about that or doesn't that matter? Rewarding illegal behavior even with fines, etc. is not the way to go. We don't need these people, period! They need to leave with their ill gotten booty and go back to where they belong. We have a legal immigration policy to follow. If they don't meet our quotas, tough. Let em make something out of their own countries.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:17 PM
 
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lol. There will be if the Republicans can figure out how to get someone besides old Cubans to vote for them.
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:01 PM
 
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The idea of immigration reform, is the view that new immigrants, illegals, or non-citizens do not like our current immigration laws, and want them relaxed to benefits them. They believe their point of view is far more important than the position that Americans want our immigration laws enforced, rather than relaxed. The last thing the U.S. needs is immigration reform. What we need is to have our current immigration laws enforced, and if possible strengthened until our economy improves. There are no jobs for Americans, and no matter how bad our economy is, the immigrants don't care.
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:18 PM
 
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The problem is -- the illegals want no laws of any kind. They want unlimited immigration from hispanic nations, at least from Mexico. They want no limits, no qualifications.

There is no compromise possible. They will object to any limitations placed. They want to bring every family member they left behind way back when. And it's to hell with the economy and unemployed Americans. They do not care at all that there are not enough jobs.
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:27 PM
 
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I don't think there will be immigration reform. What's the point? You give 10-20 million amnesty, but they will bring 10-20 million more. We've been there and done that before. The only reasonable amnesty would be to make the illegals learn English, pay a fine, have no criminal history (besides the obvious), secure the boarder with military, make everify mandatory nationwide, and require states to work with immigration for future enforcement. Otherwise, it's just a bandaid solution.

And without enforcement and real danger of deportations, I bet many would want to stay illegal. They get to work for cash and pay no taxes sometimes.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:35 AM
 
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It is possible. Obama already brought about some immigration reform for illegal people. He also was President when more people in the History of the U.S. were deported than any other time. So, there may be reform for illegal persons that have been here since childhood, know English, have no criminal history, have attended school here, and pay taxes. Only time will tell.
No, what Obama did was to implement a back door amnesty. It was no reform. So we should reward immigration lawbreakers depending on how long they have been able to avoid detection? I'll bet there is no illegal over the age of 16 that hasn't worked fraudulently in this country or drove a car without a license or insurance or maybe you don't consider that to be criminal?

You're wrong about Obama's deportation record also. Even he admitted that those being turned away at the border were being counted also. What difference does it make anyway since he implemented DACA without congress' approval and has ordered Homeland Security not to deport any illegals unless they are convicted felons?
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:37 AM
 
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It wouldn't be so bad if for every illegal granted citizenship, two U.S. subject citizens renounced theirs, and returned to American national status.

Especially, if the Am Nats were productive tax paying folks - who would no longer be participants in FICA and no longer contribute to it.

Why, that's a two-for-one win.
Once enough Americans cease participating, their house of cards will collapse.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:38 AM
 
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lol. There will be if the Republicans can figure out how to get someone besides old Cubans to vote for them.
Really? Is that how Romney got nearly half of the popular vote? So you are saying that unless we cowtow to Hispanics and give their illegal amigos amnesty we are done? Why do Hispanics think their ethnic group is so special that we should bend our immigration laws for them?
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