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Old 11-07-2012, 02:26 PM
 
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:26 PM
 
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And you're not even seeing the worst of it because the mods delete it.

The last 2 days 2 different people posted what were basically thinly veiled threats against Harry Reid, using the term "second amendment" in relation to how he should be dealt with. Hopefully their IP addresses were sent to the FBI.

Scary stuff. My worst fears when Obama was first elected were that the concealed racism in so many people would come out, and it did, even in some people who I'm close to that I didn't expect to hear such absurd nonsense from.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:27 PM
 
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People are so selfish and stupid in their views they would rather see the country go under than prosper because their favorite lost.

The Rush Limbaugh's and Trumps and the people that follow them will be obstructionists and root for the demise of the US, vs. working with those in power to make it a better place for all.

And Trump is just loosing it, he is behaving like a emotionally disturbed child.
The only people rooting for the demise of America are you Obama supporters, because that is exactly what is going to happen.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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And you're not even seeing the worst of it because the mods delete it.

The last 2 days 2 different people posted what were basically thinly veiled threats against Harry Reid, using the term "second amendment" in relation to how he should be dealt with. Hopefully their IP addresses were sent to the FBI.

Scary stuff. My worst fears when Obama was first elected were that the concealed racism in so many people would come out, and it did, even in some people who I'm close to that I didn't expect to hear such absurd nonsense from.
Ever since Obama was elected, blacks have become more boldly racist.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:41 PM
 
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And now they hit battle-ground 'swing' states and a large portion of the country is overlooked.

That's better because? :confused
Because swing states change, and the issues, and disagreements about the issues change.

Whereas if you permanently foster a system where one group of citizens and their concerns are systematically ignored, you are effectively disenfranchising that one group of citizens.

The problem isn't the electoral college. The problem is the cap on the number of Representatives, and that Representatives aren't assigned to states to evenly represent people. Look at how many people a Representative from Wyoming represents, and at how many people a Representative from California represents. The lack of uniformity with regards to representation has caused the electoral college to become off-balance. Every ten years we try to correct this, but we actually don't correct the disparity in real terms for some reason (politics, maybe?) and the imbalance in the electoral college continues. Add to that the fact that states determine how their electors vote, rather than the electors representing their state proportionally, and you magnify the imbalance in the electoral college.

No matter what you do, political candidates have limited resources, and they are going to focus those resources where they need to. In a direct democracy, the need will always be in urban centers, because that's where the numbers are. The electoral college gives a tiny incentive to candidates to use some resources in rural areas. Democracy gives a heavy advantage to urban voters, so urban votes start off counting for more. A representative system like ours is actually designed to balance that advantage. The electoral college also helps to balance that advantage. But the advantage of urban voters is never completely balanced by these strategies. And those who want to negate these strategies often don't understand the fundamental advantage urban voters start with, and don't understand that disenfranchising an entire class of voters is just about as undemocratic as it gets.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:50 PM
 
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Pre WW II Germany was also Post WW I Germany and had many problems caused by factors other than direct democracy.

WHY should there remain the possibility of one state controllong the election of the president of all the states?
One state never controls the election.

Just because Virginia was a battleground state doesn't mean that Virginia controlled the election. Wherever the race is close, the competitive nature of the contest demands that candidates use resources in those places. Where the race is not so close, the resources aren't as needed. But California citizens still voted, and their votes mattered a great deal. For instance, last night, it wasn't until California was called for Obama that Obama took the lead. Florida is still counting (or was a few hours ago), but they have no control over the election. No one state ever controls the election. More attention may be paid to a state because of its demographics, but the demographics of states change over time.

The direct democracy that you are advocating simply makes rural voters irrelevant. They don't have the numbers to make a difference. And that demographic, urban versus rural, urban outnumbering rural, doesn't change.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:55 PM
 
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200% incorrect.

Americans are NOT apathetic, which is why Obama won.

The far right and its agenda against women and a demograpically changing America is why the GOP will never get it.

Keep it up tea party, bigotry etc. Own it. It is why you are losing consistently.

Wake up: It's not just Akin - CNN.com
So are very much out of touch with reality......these are not the reasons why the right lost this very close election

Ohio and Michigan were won because of the union power in thise states and the auto bailout painted positive for Obama...... social issues had nothing at all to do with it

Mitt lost lots of votes by not giving the people a coherant plan for the economy and flip flopping on some issues

You were fed a line of crap and you bought it....... the country is not moving left on social issues

And ..... gay rights are NOT a social issue, they are a civil rights issue..... unless you lefties want to say that it is a choice (which it is not)

Your post is indicative of how far out of touch leftwingers are with why they won
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:57 PM
 
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lls..you know why.


ugliness runs in the family.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:18 PM
 
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.....wonders why?

*scratches head*

once obama is out of office things will simmer down a bit.. if you can wait 4.3 years..
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:24 PM
 
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Ever since Obama was elected, blacks have become more boldly racist.
Take a look in the mirror sour puss.
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