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Old 11-08-2012, 01:27 PM
 
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Canada's free speech laws do not protect hate speech or defamation.
Except in Canada the definition of hate speech is more elastic than it is in the US, just like in the UK.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:30 PM
 
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Except in Canada the definition of hate speech is more elastic than it is in the US, just like in the UK.
What definition of hate speech is there in the US? Regardless - hate speech is protected free speech in the US.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:38 PM
 
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What definition of hate speech is there in the US? Regardless - hate speech is protected free speech in the US.
Oh come on, do you really have to ask this? Prosecutable hate speech in the US is speech that calls for violence against a specific person or group of people.

But, like you said, most hate speech in the US is protected speech and not prosecutable. However, in the UK hate speech is speech that "disrupts community harmony" which is a very broad term, Canada is much the same way. In Canada;s Charter of Rights and Freedoms, freedom is speech is guaranteed but is subject to "reasonable restrictions", whatever that means.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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Canada's free speech laws do not protect hate speech or defamation.
Then its not FREE speech...its acceptable speech within limits..its not free.
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Old 11-08-2012, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Canada doesn't have real rights, they have privileges that can be overturned by law.
If you take the freedoms Americans have and multiply it by a factor of ten you would still be short on the ratio of Canada to USA freedom. We are so much more free than the USA it's not even measurable at all. Unlike the USA where your freedoms are subject to a vague interpertation of a vague document by a court of political hacks Canada has the crystal clear, "Charter of freedoms and rights" constitution that has been upheld time after time after time by our supreme court. Things that happen hundreds of times a day in the USA like being harrased by law enforcement officials just does not happen here. I'm not under any obligation at all to answer to LEOs or to even identify myself to them. They can't search me or look in the trunk of my car and if they do without probable cause I'll sue them and I'll win a big judgement.

The fact that hate speech is a crime has zip to do with freedom. It's a LAW, you know it one of those pesky little things we all have to abide by that has been put in place by the people we elected to pass such things as laws.
I suppose you must think that somehow it hurts my freedom that I can't lie to the Canadian people on the news. Therefore we have no Canadian version of FOX or MSNBC. WE get the real FOX and MSNBC but we don't care about Americans being Driven nuts by your insanity over the airwaves.
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Old 11-08-2012, 02:32 PM
 
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If you take the freedoms Americans have and multiply it by a factor of ten you would still be short on the ratio of Canada to USA freedom. We are so much more free than the USA it's not even measurable at all. Unlike the USA where your freedoms are subject to a vague interpertation of a vague document by a court of political hacks Canada has the crystal clear, "Charter of freedoms and rights" constitution that has been upheld time after time after time by our supreme court. Things that happen hundreds of times a day in the USA like being harrased by law enforcement officials just does not happen here. I'm not under any obligation at all to answer to LEOs or to even identify myself to them. They can't search me or look in the trunk of my car and if they do without probable cause I'll sue them and I'll win a big judgement.

The fact that hate speech is a crime has zip to do with freedom. It's a LAW, you know it one of those pesky little things we all have to abide by that has been put in place by the people we elected to pass such things as laws.
I suppose you must think that somehow it hurts my freedom that I can't lie to the Canadian people on the news. Therefore we have no Canadian version of FOX or MSNBC. WE get the real FOX and MSNBC but we don't care about Americans being Driven nuts by your insanity over the airwaves.
Excellent post. But don't expect "LibertyForever," who, like most people who give themselves patriotic names on anonymous forums, has absolutely no concept of honor, dignity, character, freedom or patriotism. If you read even a few of his posts here, you can quickly see that it's all about his own personal comfort zone, not that of any others -- and that comfort zone would appear to be somewhere in the 1920s, if you take my meaning. Pretty much everything he says is offensive to one group or another, and he's proud of it.
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Then its not FREE speech...its acceptable speech within limits..its not free.
Now, I want you to get a clue here. You most obviously do not understand the concept of Freedom as an idea applied in a social system. Of course ALL freedoms in that context have limits. Under your idea of freedom the fact that I'm not allowed to rape, pillage and kill would be a limit on my freedom. This definition of freedom is completely nonsensical. My freedoms are only as secure as the laws that guarantee them the LEOs that enforce them and the courts that guard them.
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