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Old 11-08-2012, 01:32 PM
 
Location: DFW
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I have all my medical needs done at the VA.
Not sure I'd want the VA to do my Brain Surgery or aggressively treat my cancer.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:34 PM
 
Location: North America
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and that 50 employe standard is what is going to hurt

many companies have right around that mark...those under WONT hire fulltimers and take themselves over the 50 mark

those ""Just"" over the 50 mark..will downsize, then rehire parttimers

The 50 employee standard is not new. I was always in place.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:34 PM
 
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that' one of the two questions liberals refuse to answer because even if you taxed the ''''rich'''' at 100%..you still wouldnt raise enough revenue...so the hard truth is........ EVERY TAXPAYER through the nose the 2nd question is guarentee that it wont be crapcare
I'm not actually a liberal, in either the classical sense, which I suspect applies to you, or the way the term is currently used here, which is probably what you meant.

But I'll be happy to give it a try. If everyone pays a small amount, such as the $128/mo charged by B.C.'s insurance plan, and if the plan represents everyone in the province, then on the cost side the provincial plan is able to negotiate much lower rates, while on the revenue side the modest premiums paid by everyone provide enough to cover the sick.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:35 PM
 
Location: North America
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Not sure I'd want the VA to do my Brain Surgery or aggressively treat my cancer.

Oh, HELL no...
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:35 PM
 
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Not sure I'd want the VA to do my Brain Surgery or aggressively treat my cancer.
VA hospitals have been very successful at treating my father's cancer. He's a very satisfied customer.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The 50 employee standard is not new. I was always in place.
didnt say it was new

but the mandate/tax(fee) is new
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:37 PM
 
Location: North America
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I blame the costs for health care on the Congress of the United States. In 1965 they started us on the way downhill with Medicare. Now before you get too excited about it I have been on Medicare for nearly 15 years but I couldn't afford to pay for my own insurance once my wife's company kicked me into Medicare.

Back to the subject. Medicare has resulted in health care givers (hospitals, doctors, the whole bunch) raising what they charge to people on insurance because Medicare pays such a small amount of what they want to charge. Those care givers have to agree to take what Medicare will give them for any specific service and the per cent of that amount has gone down since the passage of Obamacare. I think they have proved quite well that government provided health care won't work but then we will see pretty fast after January 2014. The thing that gets me is that we have to pay taxes that supposedly are saved up for the onset of Obamacare for three or so years before it goes into effect. Those taxes will still be there after it goes in and we will get to pay more of them when single payer comes along.

BTW, where will the money for single payer (government controlled healthcare) come from?
And the caregivers have the same problem with private insurance companies. I get statrements from AvMed showing what the Dr. charged versus what AvMed pays. It's less than half.

Also, "Obamacare" is not single payer.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:39 PM
 
Location: DFW
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VA hospitals have been very successful at treating my father's cancer. He's a very satisfied customer.
Depending on the Cancer I'd rather be at MD Anderson or one of the private hospitals. VA would be only because of the low or no cost.

But I don't know VA that well.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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that' one of the two questions liberals refuse to answer

because even if you taxed the ''''rich'''' at 100%..you still wouldnt raise enough revenue...so the hard truth is........ EVERY TAXPAYER through the nose


the 2nd question is guarentee that it wont be crapcare
You pay right now. Either in premiums or lower pay or both. In the current US system pre ACA, you pay about double what other Industrialized Nations do, for the same basic quality of care. In a Govt run system, tax revenue would cover the costs, only the cost, as there would be no need for Ins Co profits off the top. It would not be Govt controlled care, in the VA for example, I make any decision, yea or nay, on what test or procedure I have. Of course the Doctors advise me, but the ultimate decision, is mine.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Houston
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There are a few veterans at work, everyone of them pays $250 a month to have Blue Cross Blue Shield despite the fact they could get VA care for "free".
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