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Old 11-08-2012, 09:57 AM
 
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When did yoking businesses with health care plans become commonplace? Judging by what others have written, this seems to have become lose/lose with health care and insurance costs.
Is Obamacare (and the current state of things) really in the better interest of the country than just offering plain ol' universal health care?
Currently, people who don't have insurance, have an accident, and then can't afford to pay are a weight on the country. Health care costs have spiraled out of control (my son's shots would have cost me $900, according to Cigna, if I hadn't had insurance).

I would love to hear better options than universal health care.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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If all business stopped offering group health care..what would happen ?
I think that is the long term goal.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:01 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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It started during WWII as a way to retain workers, since there were wage controls in place and employers couldn't increase wages.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:07 AM
 
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If all business stopped offering group health care..what would happen ?
I think that is the long term goal.
What is the long-term goal? Do you mean universal health care here?
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:22 AM
 
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If you had a list of medical services on a board along with some idea of pricing I would love to pay out of pocket. No person can afford to pay out of pocket for 90% of medical costs...plus you will have no idea what something costs until you receive a bill.

I've been so physically ill that I needed to go to an ER and I've been without insurance I sat in pain instead of going to the hospital.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:45 AM
 
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When did yoking businesses with health care plans become commonplace? Judging by what others have written, this seems to have become lose/lose with health care and insurance costs.
Is Obamacare (and the current state of things) really in the better interest of the country than just offering plain ol' universal health care?
Currently, people who don't have insurance, have an accident, and then can't afford to pay are a weight on the country. Health care costs have spiraled out of control (my son's shots would have cost me $900, according to Cigna, if I hadn't had insurance).

I would love to hear better options than universal health care.
It started with unions baraginig for hwat was then hospitalization has a benfit. Overtime ebnefits like this were favored over rasies as polically they coud keep such contribution seen a insome for tax purposes. its just anther example where the polictally connected groupos where able to get more breaks than the perosn not associated with them. I always get a smile when groups take credit for helpig the american worker when i reality they always deamnd more than them in tax free benefits etc. Even in the recent healthcare bill ;taxing healthcare benefits by empl;oyers as insome to pay for the bill was reejcted by stright line democratic vote in senate commitee as was allowig employees in company palns to shop for cheap plan and allpy the eploter conrtibution to that plan in buying.Such plan benfits are subsidised by taxpeyrs like nay other speical break.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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We can all 'thank' FDR for this moronic policy, since wage and price controls never work, as Nixon proved again in the early seventies.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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When did yoking businesses with health care plans become commonplace? .
late 1940's and early 1950's with the unions

up till the 80's health insurace was called hospitalization..and covered you for MAJOR items

businesses would love singlepayer(less overhead)...the problem is the INDIVIDUAL taxpayer canbt afford singlepayer
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:11 PM
 
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We can all 'thank' FDR for this moronic policy, since wage and price controls never work, as Nixon proved again in the early seventies.
Yeah, we all remember how FDR's economical policies left the US crippled and impoverished after the humiliating defeat in WWII.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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We can all 'thank' FDR for this moronic policy, since wage and price controls never work, as Nixon proved again in the early seventies.
The conditions of Nixon's time and the Second World War aren't really comparable.
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