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Old 11-11-2012, 01:49 PM
 
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I agree with Noonan. Music to my ears. I'm luvin it. McLuvin it.

Noonan: 'Tea party style of rage is not one that wins over converts' | The Daily Caller

Tea party activists blame losses on Republican establishment - latimes.com
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Old 11-11-2012, 02:01 PM
 
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But for conservatives who identify with the tea party, one emotion seemed to dominate all others: a white-hot anger at the Republican establishment. Tea party supporters are angry at the GOP for embracing as its presidential nominee a "moderate" like Romney. For undermining "true conservative" candidates. And for "choosing to ignore" the conservative agenda.

These nitwits stlil think that it's the "conservative agenda" not being pushed enough that lost them the vote. Did they forget that Ryan, one of their darlings, was a major factor for the loss? His radical budget plan and stance on abortion was real popular...


He called upon the Republican leadership to resign for its part in the "epic election failure of 2012." That includes Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, who has not announced whether he will run for the post again, House Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

This is what the GOP gets fo rallowing itself to be hijacked...karma baby, karma.
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Old 11-11-2012, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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I don't think they've learned anything. We're starting to see the same fringe characters ranting about socialism, Kenya, and Karl Marx.
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Old 11-11-2012, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Murika
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I don't think they've learned anything. We're starting to see the same fringe characters ranting about socialism, Kenya, and Karl Marx.
Yup - fault lies with everybody else. Introspection is a dirty word.
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Old 11-11-2012, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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So? This sort of thing always happens after a major electoral suprise. Those of us who hold to conservative values are a little disappointd, but the fragmentation within those of our oritentation (which is quite broad) was apparent, particularly during the height of Rick Santorum's popularity surge in the spring.

Point remains .... the combined total of the Romney-Johnson vote was not that far behind Obama's -- not too bad when you've followed things long enough to recall Goldwater's 27-million-vote, near 2-to-1 minority back in '64.

The silver lining in this is that the GOP leadership has again been told, as in 1992 and 1996, that a close identification with the more-militant component of the Religious Right is the kiss of death; on the other hand, I've heard from several of the people with whom I correspond, and several of whom are registered for the first time as Libertarian, that while they decided to go with Romney for practical reasons, their sympathies lie with Johnson, as do mine. That moves us closer to the day when the Libertarian Party will have the 5% figure needed for a separate seat at a debate.

The greast single reservation I've heard among my friends who switched at the last moment was a fear of a few more rubber-stamps in the mold of Ginsburg and Sotomayer on the Supreme Court. Granted, Clarence Thomas is cut from the same cloth at the opposite pole, but the days when we had justices from both parties (White, Stewart, Harlan, Stevens and Scalia) with some sense of autonomy seem to be fading.

The behavior on some threads in this forum would embarrass a junior high school class; one more reason to believe that Obama and company will quickly overreach their supposed "mandate".

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Old 11-11-2012, 02:28 PM
 
Location: DC area
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Noonan is right.

The GOP did themselves no favors by courting the tea party to keep their numbers. Now, the tea party is more full of it than ever. They're going to take over the GOP? Yeah right. They can't seem to remember they left the party and started their own. I wish they'd have at it already and leave the GOP to rebuild. Everyone would be a lot better off in the end if they did.
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Old 11-11-2012, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Exeter, NH
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I am angry at the Republican Party because they PREVENT ANY VOTER CHOICE; they effectively have nullified elections and democracy at all levels. Having two Big Government Left Wing clones running for president is no different than having a single candidate. We got the choice of voting FOR Big Government, or staying home and becoming invisible.

Who do the majority of citizens who want Washington to STOP insane overspending vote for? Romney would have made it worse with even MORE military spending.

Who do the majority of citizens that want the fiasco of "Free Trade" abandoned vote for? Romney wouldn't have changed that.

Who do we vote for when we KNOW that over-regulation accomplishes nothing but kills jobs?

Who do we vote for when we KNOW that the working class can NEVER retire, because of current overtaxation and a government that will save Social Security and Medicare ONLY for those current retired?

Who do we vote for when we oppose open-door immigration and paying for generations of education and social welfare programs, while simultaneously suppressing wages?

Who do we vote for when we see a nation of dependency developing, with a heavier and heavier tax burden on the few people still working, to the point where people

The modern Republican Party is a mix of Big Government supporters, ultra-religious social conservatives, moderates, and left-wingers. It exists only to give the illusion that voters still have a say in our nation's leadership.

It is time for Libertarians to educate the population and show that our nation does not HAVE to collapse. It is time for Libertarians to BE the modern Republicans that offer an alternative to Big Government, Free Trade, endless wars, extreme taxation for the working class, and an economy crippled under government over-regulation.
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Old 11-11-2012, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Was this the election that begins the Tea Party's road to breaking away from the GOP and forming a 3rd party? I would love to see a Tea Party 3rd party running for president in 2016, it would ensure another Democrat win.
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Old 11-11-2012, 03:03 PM
 
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Was this the election that begins the Tea Party's road to breaking away from the GOP and forming a 3rd party? I would love to see a Tea Party 3rd party running for president in 2016, it would ensure another Democrat win.
And it would show the Tea Party, once and for all, just how small a segment of the population they actually represent. Big mouths making a lot of noise does not necessarily equate to large numbers. There are fewer of them than they think.
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Old 11-11-2012, 03:28 PM
 
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i love it when people on either side of the isle claim that the other side is imploding after they lose an election. the reality is that isnt going to happen any time soon. in the end conservatism didnt lose the election, trying to be democrat light DID. romney had good fiscal ideas, but he lost because he wasnt conservative. the other thing that lost the election for romney, and other republicans was social issues. perhaps republicans are too socially conservative, and the democrats beat them over the head with them. republicans win election on conservative fiscal issues, and by staying AWAY from social issues.
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