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Unread 11-13-2012, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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Default What we have become.

Had an interesting article e mailed to me and it seems to fit.

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For the rulers, participatory fascism is the perfect solution toward which they have been groping for generations, and virtually all of the world’s politico-economic orders are now gravitating toward this system. Outright socialism is a recipe for widespread poverty and for the ultimate dissolution of the economy and the disavowal of its political leadership. Socialism is the wave of the past; everywhere it has been tried seriously, it has failed miserably. Participatory fascism, in contrast, has two decisive advantages over socialism.
Once More, with Feeling: Our System Is Not Socialism, but Participatory Fascism | The Beacon
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Unread 11-13-2012, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Americans are apathetic and don't care.
Oh they will voice their opinions and voice them loud and clear but actions prove otherwise.

And I noticed this going back to 2008.
And it's not partisan and it's not about D vs R.

For so many Americans that were against TARP back in 2008 and Americans did voice their disapproval of the USG bailing out the banks, they turned around and sent the same officials that voted YES back to DC the very next month during elections. In one month they forgot all about TARP and who passed it.

This election turnout was pathetic. 30% of registered voters was all it took to get Obama re-elected.
And this is not Obama vs Romney. This is more about Americans not caring enough to even get out and vote.

Apathy has settled over America. Corrupt people in power will take advantage of that no doubt.
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Unread 11-13-2012, 07:07 AM
 
Location: In The Pacific
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This 2012 election has been taken over by the political immature youths of our time and of the growing minorities nation wide who were easily persuaded by a political machine out to destroy what real democracy is all about, for the people and by the people, but it has drastically been brainwashed by false speech presentations by both parties which alluded what honesty, common decency and common sense was all about! It's truly a sad day what is now in the American history book what democracy now stands for on this day and age!
It's very discouraging, let alone embarrassing what the American people have become, but I guess we'll all out live it and improve our ways in our thinking, opinions, behaviors and attitudes in the future to hopefully improve our political system, because this past election wasn't it for sure from what I've saw and heard of it! It was truly all thrash talk with no dignity! Just simply embarrassing IMHO!

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Unread 11-13-2012, 07:54 AM
 
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This 2012 election has been taken over by the political immature youths of our time and of the growing minorities nation wide who were easily persuaded by a political machine out to destroy what real democracy is all about, for the people and by the people, but it has drastically been brainwashed by false speech presentations by both parties which alluded what honesty, common decency and common sense was all about! It's truly a sad day what is now in the American history book what democracy now stands for on this day and age!
It's very discouraging, let along embarrassing what the American people have become, but I guess we'll all out live it and improve our ways in our thinking, opinions, behaviors and attitudes in the future to hopefully improve our political system, because this past election wasn't it for sure from what I've saw and heard of it! It was truly all thrash talk with no dignity! Just simply embarrassing IMHO!
Funny, I thought the same thing when Bush was elected...TWICE.
You see, it's only "the world is ending" when the candidate you support loses (or the one you hate wins). Want to take a stand? Move out of the US and refuse to participate. That's what I did: I lived in the US for only a few months of Bush, Jr's administrations; put my money where my mouth was.
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Unread 11-13-2012, 07:57 AM
 
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Americans are apathetic and don't care.
Oh they will voice their opinions and voice them loud and clear but actions prove otherwise.

And I noticed this going back to 2008.
And it's not partisan and it's not about D vs R.

For so many Americans that were against TARP back in 2008 and Americans did voice their disapproval of the USG bailing out the banks, they turned around and sent the same officials that voted YES back to DC the very next month during elections. In one month they forgot all about TARP and who passed it.

This election turnout was pathetic. 30% of registered voters was all it took to get Obama re-elected.
And this is not Obama vs Romney. This is more about Americans not caring enough to even get out and vote.

Apathy has settled over America. Corrupt people in power will take advantage of that no doubt.
You are certainly correct about there being apathy, or at least the appearance of it. And no doubt, there is an abundance of people who simply refuse to get involved politically. Although, my feeling about the cause of this seeming lack of interest isn't so much about not caring, but about disenfranchised resignation, which itself is a result of the recognition on some level that the system is rigged and the deck stacked. I think people in greater numbers are seeing through the illusion, and simply refusing to participate, knowing that at the individual citizen level, there is no real power to affect political change, and that such supposed power of the vote is a contrived fraud.

Still others I think suffer propaganda overload ... which leaves them thoroughly overwhelmed and not knowing which end is up or what to believe, given the endless bombardment of conflicting facts and stories that make little logical sense to them. Their response is to simply disassociate themselves, and focus only on their own personal lives, which for most people, saps just about all of their energy just working for survival in an increasingly difficult system to maintain the status quo, let alone make headway and advance. They simply have no energy left to apply toward matters of politics and government.
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Unread 11-13-2012, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Outright socialism is a recipe for widespread poverty and for the ultimate dissolution of the economy and the disavowal of its political leadership. Socialism is the wave of the past; everywhere it has been tried seriously, it has failed miserably. Participatory fascism, in contrast, has two decisive advantages over socialism.
...sounded familiar...

"Given that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority, a century of Fascism."
- Benito Mussolini
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Unread 11-13-2012, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Here is the facts.

Both major parties are continuing the military industrial complex. Both major parties like taking away personal freedom in the name of "progress".

Americans, when polled, have a disdain for both of these issues. Americans like social security, whats not to like about ensuring that people in their old age don't have to work until they die, or become a burden on family, or die? Americans needed medicare because insurance companies wouldn't cover elderly Americans at a reasonable cost.

But Washington doesn't listen, and the two party oligarchy that is in place continues to push this lie that the other party is so unacceptable that you can't vote for them. So then we are left with two bad choices.

There isn't a problem with a little socialism, but it should be limited, it should be paid for, and we have to understand that it can't solve all problems. Democrats seem to think that government can solve all of societies ills. Republicans claim to be small government, but then push more government to solve what they see as socities ills as well.

We need a real small government party, and I'm hoping that Republicans go to that place where they want smaller military spending, let individuals make personal decisions, give power back to the states, and have honest discussions about how to pay for the programs that Americans seem to want. Right now they seem to deny the truth that Americans like some social programs, and we should just not pay for them but also disband them. This is their problem. Democrats don't get it, but neither do Republicans.
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Unread 11-13-2012, 08:24 AM
 
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Funny, I thought the same thing when Bush was elected...TWICE.
You see, it's only "the world is ending" when the candidate you support loses (or the one you hate wins). Want to take a stand? Move out of the US and refuse to participate. That's what I did: I lived in the US for only a few months of Bush, Jr's administrations; put my money where my mouth was.
Which is exactly how you have been trained to react. Problem is, who really wants to be one of Pavlov's dogs who drool at the sound of a bell ringing? That is what the general public have become ... reactionaries, which respond in very predictable ways to certain social-political stimuli.

The reality is, we have a one party system in this country which presents itself as two. And it has locked down all of the control mechanisms which prevent effective challenges to it's monopoly by any alleged "3rd Party" challenger. They have carved up the populace into two teams of various competing factions, who align themselves with either the right or left head of this two headed snake which only presents the illusion of choice.

Based on the decreasing levels of participation in the political theatre of elections, a growing number of people are realizing the true nature of this con game, either consciously or subconsciously, and just refusing to participate.

Most polls will report that Congress, for example, has an approval rating which runs between 9% and 15%, depending on the time of the year and what the current political climate happens to be at the time they are polled. Yet, at the same time, incumbents enjoy a remarkably large advantage in beating outside challenges, and are re-elected over and over again. So either the public is just that illogical, and elect people they don't like or trust ... or the system is rigged.
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Unread 11-13-2012, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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The reality is, we have a one party system in this country which presents itself as two.
And despite that, people in Texas tend to stamp on "R", habitually. I'm sure you did too.
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Unread 11-13-2012, 08:29 AM
 
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Which is exactly how you have been trained to react. Problem is, who really wants to be one of Pavlov's dogs who drool at the sound of a bell ringing? That is what the general public have become ... reactionaries, which respond in very predictable ways to certain social-political stimuli.

The reality is, we have a one party system in this country which presents itself as two. And it has locked down all of the control mechanisms which prevent effective challenges to it's monopoly by any alleged "3rd Party" challenger. They have carved up the populace into two teams of various competing factions, who align themselves with either the right or left head of this two headed snake which only presents the illusion of choice.

Based on the decreasing levels of participation in the political theatre of elections, a growing number of people are realizing the true nature of this con game, either consciously or subconsciously, and just refusing to participate.

Most polls will report that Congress, for example, has an approval rating which runs between 9% and 15%, depending on the time of the year and what the current political climate happens to be at the time they are polled. Yet, at the same time, incumbents enjoy a remarkably large advantage in beating outside challenges, and are re-elected over and over again. So either the public is just that illogical, and elect people they don't like or trust ... or the system is rigged.
I voted independent, and I likely will for the foreseeable future. I get what you're saying; however, I didn't react that way because I was a staunch democrat, but because I could see what Bush was (and I was proven correct). Unlike some, I research and vote for whose policies I agree with.

You are completely right that a viable third party can help alleviate the political malaise that has overtaken this country since Clinton.
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