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It won't, because most of us in the blue states don't really want them to stay.
And you aren't self-sufficient any longer. You are more comfortable in a cubicle than in a barn.
That is why this North-South conflict would turn out different if it happened today. When you take the Southern states that went Republican, like Montana, Wyoming, North Carolina, etc. and compare them to the liberal bastions of New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, etc. there is a huge difference in lifestyles.
Typical Northerner: Hey man it's getting cold out here, we should go get a latte and a burger.
I think the push for secession isn't going to work. It has such a negative connotation, it really sounds like a bunch of whiners who didn't get their way. And the majority of people, regardless of how frustrated they are with Washington, cannot fathom a world where Texas is in another country.
A more positive sounding position, which would be an opportunity for everyone in the country, and doesn't entail secession. Would be my plan, calling for the drafting of a new constitution. Not an amendment, a brand new constitution from scratch. Which would have to be ratified by the same process that our constitution had to be ratified(3/4th's approval, and only applies to those states who actually ratify it).
With a new constitution that had those requirements, the worst-case scenario is that nothing would change. And the best-case scenario is that we get a much more efficient and representative government.
That is why this North-South conflict would turn out different if it happened today. When you take the Southern states that went Republican, like Montana, Wyoming, North Carolina, etc. and compare them to the liberal bastions of New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, etc. there is a huge difference in lifestyles.
Typical Northerner: Hey man it's getting cold out here, we should go get a latte and a burger.
Typical Southerner: Let's go hunting.
At least you can't accidentally shoot yourself with a latte.
Doesn't surprise me the intellectual minds like you think that is why this is happening...I am assuming you have no idea Secession movements have been around for a very long time...Vermont,Alaska,just to name 2 states I am familiar with all happened before Obama was president...has nothing to do with the idiot in chief...he just happens to be the president when it happened...
In vain no...we had a great nation for almost 100 years but its way past time for the country to separate...
The anti-secessionists seem to be that way, forgetting the criticizing and and laughing at the Texas gov taking about secession. Now it's suddenly like something new just sprung up. I'll bet they gonna be real surprised come January when O'Care hits 'em square in the patooty.
Good luck making up the difference in what you lose from the Feds by taxing your own citizens.
They come out ahead. You're free to do the math anytime you're so inclined, but then of course, you'd actually prove that some States would benefit from secession.
Economically...
Mircea
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Seccession is treason. For some reason during an election cycle certain people on the far right will go to all efforts to show they are the most patriotic people and how they love the constitution and those on the left have no patriotism and despise the constitution. But when these same rightwingers lose an election, they all of a sudden become little Benedict Arnolds and start talk of seccession.
It definitely baffles me.
Secession is not treason.
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Benedict Arnold because his name is synonymous with traitorous conduct. Supporting the Revolutionary cause then back stabbing the very people he was fighting for.
Let's talk about Benedict Arnold.
Arnold was where? Oh, yeah, that's right, at the Battle of Quebec. Where his friend General Montgomery was killed. Where the Continental Army was defeated and routed. Where MG Thompson tried to lead an orderly withdraw, but died of smallpox.
Arnold did not believe the Continental Army would prevail, and that the repercussions would be severe. That's why he became a "traitor." To save lives.
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I don't think Abe Lincoln would agree with you.
I don't give a damn what Lincoln the Tyrant thought. I spit on his grave. So excuse me if I don't get all weak in the knees when someone mentions the name of the former Illinois National Guard Captain and commander of a cavalry troop that massacred women, children and elderly members of the Sacs & Fox Tribe....while the men were away parlaying for safe passage through "***** Territory."
Historically...
Mircea
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It will turn out the same way if this goes anywhere. My suggestion is to suck it up.
Are you suggesting they had electricity in 1862?
I sure hope not, because that would be, you know, really stupid.
Your understanding of asymmetrical warfare is incredibly poor.
Tactically...
Yep...seems about right...either racist,traitor,rebel,seditious etc etc...they never realize if our founding fathers had not been "traitors,rebels and seditious" we would still be living under the crown.
Actually Lincoln did agree with me, or rather I agree with Lincoln.
Treason is a very specific act defined by the Constitution the act of attempting to secede isn't treasonous
Article 3 - The Judicial Branch
Section 3 - Treason
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Firing on Ft Sumpter in an attempt to secede was treasonous.
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